[Mac撚] 用家/買機集中討論(37) Mac廠開唔撚到工點交貨/三月底event可以出乜

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2020-02-24 19:07:08
(係喎SOR,你list晒堆線出黎somehow我地都睇漏左mon嗰行...
anyway上面全部野都唔太理想/貴)

一條type-C to HDMI線應該最平,你唔需要4k/2.0姐係幾十蚊有一條
另一個option: 既然隻mon有DisplayPort,一百幾十蚊搵一條type-C to DisplayPort線會穩定d,同埋可以spare響mon個HDMI port俾其他野例如PS4插
2020-02-24 19:12:10
個「唔俾扭mon」限制只係一部份本身有內置mon既Macs姐係iMac同MacBook先有
mini的確你插咩野mon都應該default已經有得俾你扭
(除非隻mon係Apple賣嗰隻LG Ultrafine 5k/4k,聽過又係default唔扭得)

其實你係想做到咩目的? 公司/studio要掛mon做display?
2020-02-24 19:16:16
竟然係iPad Pro轉mini LED先
如果今年iPad Pro改做下半年先出
唔知3月仲會唔會有event

https://money.udn.com/money/story/5612/4365792
群創大突破 打進蘋果鏈

群創Mini LED布局大突破,傳已送樣蘋果,準備搭載在下半年推出的最新款iPad Pro平板,大咬蘋果商機,是群創首度與蘋果的零組件供應合作案。
市場先前傳出,LED磊晶大廠晶電Mini LED產品獲得蘋果青睞,拿下訂單,群創加入後,蘋果Mini LED訂單爭奪戰更加白熱化。對於相關傳聞,群創總經理楊柱祥表示:「這不能多說」。

群創過往從未取得蘋果訂單。據了解,群創為搶蘋果Mini LED訂單,下了不少功夫,不僅大舉投入研發,群創去年底響應政府台商回台計畫,擬在竹科苗栗園區與南科大規模投資701億元,成為台商回流最大案。

該計畫書當中,也明白宣示除了移回大陸電視整機組裝生產線外,Mini LED也是重要投資,藉此擴大投資重建台灣供應鏈競爭力,加速顯示器產業升級轉型,鞏固台灣關鍵零組件戰略地位。
業界人士分析,群創是鴻海集團重要面板布局,加上集團內榮創、光鋐等LED廠協助共同發展Mini LED技術,資源豐沛。

更重要的是,鴻海是蘋果最大組裝夥伴,群創成為蘋果Mini LED供應鏈後,蘋果與鴻海「親上加親」,更能取得一條龍供貨優勢,且更有利於蘋果供應鏈管理。

近年蘋果高規產品多採用OLED顯示技術,但Mini LED對比效果與OLED顯示器相近,在部份產品線,Mini LED成本甚至低於OLED,也可能作為未來導入更先進的Micro LED技術的跳板,因此蘋果非常有興趣。

台灣面板廠雖然在OLED面板的產能競賽落後,但在Mini LED有獨到之處。群創具有全球獨創首發的主動矩陣式(Active matrix,AM)Mini LED技術,可同時縮小LED之間的間距,並降低整體設計成本,是Mini LED技術一大革命,並已導入車用等中小尺寸應用領域,另外,也在公共顯示器、專業電競顯示器等應用大放光芒,成為搶進蘋果供應鏈的利器。

為提供客戶更大的設計自由度,群創也以AM miniLED搭配軟性基板,作為異型/曲面LCD所需背光源的最佳解決方案。

群創強調,希望以AM Mini LED技術產品全面痛擊OLED,並希望為顯示器產業帶來新革命。尤其Mini LED在能耗及外觀設計上完全超越OLED,看好在Micro LED問世之前,AM Mini LED將擔任群創中期戰略產品的角色。
2020-02-24 20:01:29
airpods x
2020-02-24 20:33:50
仲係冇新imac既消息
2020-02-24 22:21:54
Innolux近年都好多大單吓
2020-02-24 23:04:11
我覺得似下年多。。
2020-02-24 23:50:22
sorry 巴打想問多少少

你唔需要4k/2.0姐係幾十蚊有一條
咩叫4k / 2.0? 係因為我個mon 唔support?

同埋呢,我見有d 係買adaptor (Type-C to 3個西嘅Adaptor, 之後用HDMI to HDMI)
有d 係直接買Type-C to HDMI
你指嘅Type-C to DisplayPort 會穩定過HDMI to Type-C 係點解

btw, 我見個mon 有3個西
2個hdmi,同埋1個VGA
2020-02-25 00:33:12
你呢隻mon只有1920x1080(full HD),唔係2160x3840 (4K),所以入HDMI無論條線定係hub都唔需要HDMI ver. 2.0 (你隻mon個spec sheet寫左ver. 1.4)
點解要搞清楚呢點係因為好多巴打要應付一隻4k mon,佢係必需要全條chain支援ver. 2.0先出足畫面,而你唔需要考慮呢樣野

最簡單,最平,同最穩定係搵一條好普通既線,一面頭係type-C,另一面係HDMI;唔用有窿既hub原因係每多一個接觸點就會有多一重問題(HDMI好興因為接觸不良會chok)
呢條線無咩特別要求,最普通最cheap既都做到,深水埗應該幾十蚊有條

你post條link可能同你隻mon真身個model有少少分別,website list有DP姐係DisplayPort,而你望住部野就同我講佢無DP不過有兩個HDMI? anyway你當我無提過DP,去搵HDMI線

2020-02-25 10:08:54
本身Bloomberg話今年會出ARM Mac,郭明錤以前都講過今年/出年有ARM Mac
勢在必行應該冇走雞
問題係Apple會唔會今年WWDC出dev kit俾developer用
定係要等到出年先出咁趕
入面條tweet個developer話如果Apple出dev kit俾人用iPad做測試會係最合理
iPad行macOS
2020-02-25 11:04:25
明白多謝巴打詳細解釋

btw 我睇多次,應該係一個HDMI (插住), 一個唔知咩,同埋一個VGA.

你之前意思係咪話,買條去中間/右邊個插頭,留返HDMI 比PS4 好過?

2020-02-25 12:15:17
Mac With Apple-Designed Arm Processor Coming in First Half of 2021
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/02/24/mac-apple-designed-processor-2021/

Apple's first Mac with a processor designed in house is set to be released during the first half of 2021, Apple analyst Ming Chi Kuo said in a note to investors this morning that was obtained by MacRumors.


There are no other details provided about the new Mac that's in the works, but the detail confirms multiple past rumors that have suggested Apple is working on custom Arm-based processors designed in-house that would allow it to transition away from Intel. Over the years, Apple's product releases have been stymied by Intel chip delays, and with its own chips, Apple will not be tied to Intel chip release cycles.

Earlier information indicated Apple could begin using Arm-based chips as soon as 2020, but Kuo's note indicates a new Mac with an Apple-designed chip won't be released this year.

Apple is said to be moving to Arm-based chips in an effort to make Macs, iPhones, and iPads work together and run the same apps. Apple's iPhones and iPads already use Arm-based chip technology, and there are custom Apple-created T2 chips in the iMac Pro and recent MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, Mac mini, and Mac Pro models.

Kuo's detail about an upcoming Mac with an Apple-designed chip is a tidbit mentioned briefly in a note that suggests 5-nanometer chip architecture will be the "core technology" in Apple's new products in the next 12 to 18 months.
We expect that Apple's new products in 12-18 months will adopt processors made by 5nm process, including the new 2H20 5G iPhone, new 2H20 iPad equipped with mini LED, and new 1H21 Mac equipped with the own-design processor. We think that iPhone 5G support, ‌iPad‌'s adoption of innovative mid-size panel technology, and Mac's first adoption of the own-design processor are all Apple's critical product and technology strategies. Given that the processor is the core component of new products, we believe that Apple had increased 5nm-related investments after the epidemic outbreak. Further, Apple occupying more resources of related suppliers will hinder competitors' developments.
The new Mac with Apple-designed chip, the 2020 ‌5G iPhone‌, and a high-end ‌iPad‌ with a mini LED display rumored for the second half of 2020 are said to use 5-nanometer chips. Chips built on a 5-nanometer node will be faster and more efficient than the A13 chips used in the most recent iPhones that are built on a 7-nanometer+ process.

Apple is said to have become "more aggressive" when it comes to research, development, and production for 5-nanometer chip technology, ramping up investments to reduce uncertainty caused by the ongoing coronavirus outbreak in China.

坦巴你點睇? 5年內睇唔睇好ARM MB?
今年等13' update先嚟買MBP會唔會好不智?
最怕佢出咗之後以後d OS做好多優化落ARM而少理好多intel u
2020-02-25 12:22:28
優 _ _ _

ARM Mac快極都要出年先有
又要俾多一兩年俾佢普及(樂觀嘅話)
所以我唔覺得不智
除非你想部機keep 7年
2020-02-25 12:27:18
中間嗰個pprt就係DP (DisplayPort)
「你之前意思係咪話,買條去中間/右邊個插頭,留返HDMI 比PS4 好過?」
無錯exactly係我個意思
一條type-C to DP線應該貴過HDMI少少,不過都係一百蚊左右
左而個空既HDMI port就可以留俾只支援HDMI既機,例如PS4
2020-02-25 12:27:25
Apple換芯一般有段適應期,嗰段期間新嘢未必有舊嘅咁好,當年PowerPC轉Intel都係咁。何況今次睇樣應該係多條線做ARM?唔會放棄Intel

macOS內部應該有好多個port,當年出10.0嗰陣Apple自己已經有x86版,可想而知,optimise嘅嘢應該不用太擔心
2020-02-25 12:28:47
等ARM Mac成熟真係有牌
我覺得同iPhone iPad一樣起碼4-5代先會發展比較成熟

忽然諗如果轉ARM咁boot camp係咪會收皮
雖然有ARM surface但完全唔成氣候
2020-02-25 12:38:28
M$呢期有Pro X同三叔幫佢推Arm
似會認真搞
搞得成嘅話配合埋Arm MAC
咁就可以繼續玩bootcamp
2020-02-25 12:54:48
(ARM討論不如唔好quote啦搞到太長)

當年PPC轉X86係因為intel頭一水既performance per watt已經遠超濟留既PPC
IBM方面隻G5俾PowerMac (姐係MacPro前身)係完全超上到3GHz
而Motorola隻G4俾PowerBook (MacBook前身)仲衰,根本係上代產物
當時有個meme/gag就係次次Apple有新野出,都會有人講一句I am still waiting for PowerBook G5,因為G5個arch實在太撚熱同埋耗電太多所以根本放唔到落laptop

當時SJ應該由NeXT開始已經有multiplatform個心態,所以OS X(都係建基於NeXTSTEP OS)都係由day 1已經有唔同kernel分支開發
我唔知道衣家SJ死左咁耐,Apple現今仲有無keep呢個心理,不過就算無,佢自家開發既A系chip基於ARM個arch原則上已經係一套環境,而iOS(及其分支)某程度上係OS X同宗,你可以話衣家就算要由頭重寫macOS ARM其實對佢地根本都唔係好難,更何況佢地可能一路都keep住有咁做

ARM Macs最大阻力係(3rd party) dev方面,你係要俾一個唔細既transition window俾佢地,或者個新OS既emulation layer要好smooth先令到個轉移無咁痛苦
咁Apple前兩次咁做其實都handle得唔錯,對上一次係PPC轉X86之後幾個OS X版本都係Rosetta做emu
再上一次就係由System 9打前轉去OS X既Classic layer
Rosetta同埋Classic個玩法對用家黎講都係transparent (唔知道佢存在)
今次x86轉ARM應該用同一個套路,而嗰個之前叫Marzipan衣家叫Catalyst既framework就係已知已經公開相關既做法
我諗Apple最快可能今年六月個WWDC就要pre-announce個transition,要公布一個emu layer既framework俾devs玩之餘,最好先以pilot形式早d出一部ARM Mac(Book)俾人test吓先,再過幾個月以前一年幾先逐d轉多幾部

另一方面就係雙線個可能性
衣家唔止Intel,連AMD既APU(CPU)都響macOS有蹤跡,而MacPro咁新都又仲用Intel
以performance角度去睇,supply,以至Apple自家chips究竟可以有幾成熟等等,都好有可能令佢地必須要多軌發展唔可以用死一個arch/vendor
最起碼中短期之內應該係咁

我唔知道呢d野對我地作為用家揀Macs有幾大影響
當時PPC水尾年代,望住一部PowerBook G4你係唔需要好熟IT都知道佢係慢過同年代既x86 laptop好多,所以一出左Intel MacBook Pro之後所有PPC PowerBook即時變前朝垃圾咁濟
我唔覺得衣家Macs條lineup有好多呢個情況 (desktop可能係不過佢係因為Intel vs AMD)
而今次情況唔同係無外人知道Apple自家CPU究竟係已經同埋將會有幾勁
例如: 一部ARM MacBook Pro個計算力如果可以勁過衣家部16"兩三倍,咁樣係可以overcome emulation帶來既overhead有突,而且俾埋績航力同埋縮減體積呢d好處,咁樣到時Intel MacBook Pro會全線狗也不屌
2020-02-25 13:01:10
ARM Macbook去到Intel個performance嘅話,Intel Macbook唯一出路就係可以裝Windows

唔覺得ARM Windows搞得掂,始終佢喺x86平台儲落太多app同game,之前Windows 10 R唔比裝exe已經畀人屌死
2020-02-25 13:21:51
Windows成個platform個性質太廣,有太多人/公司係依賴佢嗰個永續兼容舊code既性質而存在
另外就係無任何廠會好似Apple咁樣由CPU開始到end product都自己搞晒,就算MS搞ARM Surface都要搵Qualcomm
想像吓,你係Apple的話你點會唔想Mac機好似iPad Pro咁:
A系CPU,T系security enclave,modem(遲d),設計,組裝,物流,門市/網購,OS <------- 除左次要部件之外根本完撚全係自家控制
連個AppStore就算係3rd party apps都係由佢地approve,上架落架同分成

Macs,主要係MacBook Pro近年成日有問題好大源頭係Intel交唔到貨
衣家睇番2016-2019 MBP無論降頻以至KB問題都好似係本身預左10nm而Intel幾年都俾唔到
2020-02-25 13:25:38
唔該曬巴打
2020-02-25 14:21:03

而今次情況唔同係無外人知道Apple自家CPU究竟係已經同埋將會有幾勁
例如: 一部ARM MacBook Pro個計算力如果可以勁過衣家部16"兩三倍,咁樣係可以overcome emulation帶來既overhead有突,而且俾埋績航力同埋縮減體積呢d好處,咁樣到時Intel MacBook Pro會全線狗也不屌


所以我覺得今年如果想買新Mac其實冇乜問題
反正等到ARM成熟嗰時都差唔多可以換過部新
加上而家尤其是notebook都未有咩革命性game changing功能
(Surface Neo嗰種雙mon要觀望吓,暫時唔覺有乜重大突破)
頂多都係乜都快啲靚啲持久啲
唔會話轉咗ARM之後x86會好似當年Power PC咁會立即變得落後

個人覺得最後係會唔同Mac級別用唔同CPU
Portable應該最終會換晒做ARM
Desktop嗰啲唔使睇耗電嘅就繼續x86
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