[耳機撚]召集大耳牛,台式耳機系統用家(6)

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2019-05-13 16:27:33
夾hd700雖然好過foobar,不過更加將hd700同l300 limited個分別拉開
hd700冇得鬥了
2019-05-13 16:47:00
+ update drop價錢
+ player program
+ Glossary (ASIO, MMCSS)
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隔離耳機po剩係得隨身玩家,hifi po 又主要都係玩speaker , 乜香港地無人玩over-ear, on-ear 耳機咩

吐槽:其實隔離post唔係淨係得隨身玩家,不過隨身玩法洗版太快,好難追到headphone 啲comment
呢度會集中headphone 同埋台式系統相關(包括DAC, AMP)

Post 1:https://lihkg.com/thread/836172/page/1
Post 2:https://lihkg.com/thread/912513/page/1
Post 3: https://lihkg.com/thread/930386/page/1
Post 4: https://lihkg.com/thread/1046873/page/1
Post 5:https://lihkg.com/thread/1100817/page/1

Template完善中,歡迎comment
Glossary
ASIO
From wiki:
ASIO(Audio stream input output),音頻設備驅動程序的一種。

用ASIO目的係做低延遲,同埋避開OS個volume control
OS個volume control會resample個audio去做volume control,音質會差咗
ASIO要hardware support,唔少要裝driver的 DAC都已經有ASIO support
ASIO4All其實唔算真ASIO
MMCSS
Multimedia Class Scheduler service (MMCSS) 係windows內有關多媒體CPU schedule服務,對於播放軟件,用高d priority就少d機會同人爭resource
"Pro Audio"為最高priority
foobar 2000同TuneBrowser都可以set MMCSS做"Pro Audio"
Massdrop (而家改名叫 Drop)
Drop 係一個外國團購網,上面有唔同分類產品,包括服裝、電器、科技產品、Gaiming產品等等。同呢個post最有關就係audiophile分類
URL: https://drop.com/audiophile/drops
IEM, headphone, dac, amp, ear pad/ ear tip都有

平至幾十到過萬港紙產品都有,每個產品都可以留言討論同review;購物區以外亦有forum比用家交流。
(當然,review同討論就好個人,只供參考)

Drop 買野唔ship 香港的話可以用轉運,如buyandship

Drop 運作方式係同廠方合作推團購,有時會用massdrop (or Drop) 冠名同廠方推出Drop 限定特別版產品。好似HD 6XX (即係HD650,senn記表面上話停產,不過6xx不斷賣緊)

FAQ
headphone推介(歡迎提供推介)
歡迎留言問下每隻個聲係點
為免偏見, 以下推介以英數字排序


Under 1k:
。Alessandro M1 (open back)
。CD900ST (日本錄音室專用,只限日本販賣) (closed back)
。DT770Pro (open back)
。K240S (open back)
。K701 (open back)
。MDR 7506 (closed back)
。SR60 (open back)
。SR80 (open back)
。srh440 (closed back)

1-2k:
。ATH-M50x (closed back)
。DT990 Premium Limited-Edition Black (open back) (massdrop)
。HD58X (open back) (massdrop)
。HD 6XX (即係HD650) (open back) (massdrop)
。K7XX (K712改pad, 仲有一個Red Edition, 只係改色) (open back) (massdrop)

2-5k
。AH-D5200 (closed back)
。Amiron Home (open back)
。ESP/95X Electrostatic System (靜電headphone連專用amp, 原廠重製當年嘅ESP/950, 不過少咗電池盒同皮袋, 同埋換咗個pad) (open back) (massdrop)

。HD700 (open back)
。Massdrop x Fostex TR-X00 Mahogany Headphones/ Massdrop x Fostex TR-X00 Ebony Headphones/ Massdrop x Fostex TR-X00 Purpleheart Headphones (closed back) (massdrop)


5k-10k
。AH-D7200 (closed back)
。SR-L500 + SRM-353x (open back)

10k以上
work in progress
去到呢個價位,相信大家各自都有方向
講得都係每個牌子最貴個d
例子: ADX5000, D8000, Empyrean, HD800s, SR 009s, HE-1

平板推介(歡迎提供推介)
。HE4XX (open back) (massdrop)
。th-t60rp (semi-open back)
。th-500rp (open back)
。PM-1 (open back)
。PM-3 (open back)

on-ear推介(歡迎提供推介)
。Momentum on ear 2 (closed back)
。T51P (closed back)


AMP/ DAC + AMP推介(歡迎提供推介)
Under 2k:
。Magni (純AMP)

2-4k:
。dac1101 (Combo)
。aune s6 (Combo)

4-10k
。ADI-2 DAC (Combo)

10k以上
work in progress

電腦播放軟件推介(歡迎提供推介)
。Foobar 2000 (Windows)
免費,多人用,有唔同plugin 及theme
。jriver (Windows, Mac, Linux)
$79.98 US三平台,$59.98 US單平台
多人用,好聲過foobar
。TuneBrowser (Windows)
$1620 yen (約 $130港弊),平得黎好聲過foobar,有巴打話分析力好過jriver
。jplay (Windows)
€149.00
電腦播歌高級玩法,最複雜setup 要分2部PC,一部做decode,一部做control同storage
jplay本身有player,不過係headless,要用其他software如foobar/ jriver控制
2019-05-13 16:48:13
用埋ASIO都唔同聲
有冇考慮過係個program做咗啲手腳加鹽加醋先會令你覺得好聽咗
呢啲media player program正常就將啲files decode咗之前將啲raw data pass俾個audio stack(driver),再經physical layer交俾DAC

利申:冇比較過,純理論
2019-05-13 16:48:22
+改正錯字
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隔離耳機po剩係得隨身玩家,hifi po 又主要都係玩speaker , 乜香港地無人玩over-ear, on-ear 耳機咩

吐槽:其實隔離post唔係淨係得隨身玩家,不過隨身玩法洗版太快,好難追到headphone 啲comment
呢度會集中headphone 同埋台式系統相關(包括DAC, AMP)

Post 1:https://lihkg.com/thread/836172/page/1
Post 2:https://lihkg.com/thread/912513/page/1
Post 3: https://lihkg.com/thread/930386/page/1
Post 4: https://lihkg.com/thread/1046873/page/1
Post 5:https://lihkg.com/thread/1100817/page/1

Template完善中,歡迎comment
Glossary
ASIO
From wiki:
ASIO(Audio stream input output),音頻設備驅動程序的一種。

用ASIO目的係做低延遲,同埋避開OS個volume control
OS個volume control會resample個audio去做volume control,音質會差咗
ASIO要hardware support,唔少要裝driver的 DAC都已經有ASIO support
ASIO4All其實唔算真ASIO
MMCSS
Multimedia Class Scheduler service (MMCSS) 係windows內有關多媒體CPU schedule服務,對於播放軟件,用高d priority就少d機會同人爭resource
"Pro Audio"為最高priority
foobar 2000同TuneBrowser都可以set MMCSS做"Pro Audio"
Massdrop (而家改名叫 Drop)
Drop 係一個外國團購網,上面有唔同分類產品,包括服裝、電器、科技產品、Gaiming產品等等。同呢個post最有關就係audiophile分類
URL: https://drop.com/audiophile/drops
IEM, headphone, dac, amp, ear pad/ ear tip都有

平至幾十到過萬港紙產品都有,每個產品都可以留言討論同review;購物區以外亦有forum比用家交流。
(當然,review同討論就好個人,只供參考)

Drop 買野唔ship 香港的話可以用轉運,如buyandship

Drop 運作方式係同廠方合作推團購,有時會用massdrop (or Drop) 冠名同廠方推出Drop 限定特別版產品。好似HD 6XX (即係HD650,senn記表面上話停產,不過6xx不斷賣緊)

FAQ
headphone推介(歡迎提供推介)
歡迎留言問下每隻個聲係點
為免偏見, 以下推介以英數字排序


Under 1k:
。Alessandro M1 (open back)
。CD900ST (日本錄音室專用,只限日本販賣) (closed back)
。DT770Pro (open back)
。K240S (open back)
。K701 (open back)
。MDR 7506 (closed back)
。SR60 (open back)
。SR80 (open back)
。srh440 (closed back)

1-2k:
。ATH-M50x (closed back)
。DT990 Premium Limited-Edition Black (open back) (massdrop)
。HD58X (open back) (massdrop)
。HD 6XX (即係HD650) (open back) (massdrop)
。K7XX (K712改pad, 仲有一個Red Edition, 只係改色) (open back) (massdrop)

2-5k
。AH-D5200 (closed back)
。Amiron Home (open back)
。ESP/95X Electrostatic System (靜電headphone連專用amp, 原廠重製當年嘅ESP/950, 不過少咗電池盒同皮袋, 同埋換咗個pad) (open back) (massdrop)

。HD700 (open back)
。Massdrop x Fostex TR-X00 Mahogany Headphones/ Massdrop x Fostex TR-X00 Ebony Headphones/ Massdrop x Fostex TR-X00 Purpleheart Headphones (closed back) (massdrop)


5k-10k
。AH-D7200 (closed back)
。SR-L500 + SRM-353x (open back)

10k以上
work in progress
去到呢個價位,相信大家各自都有方向
講得都係每個牌子最貴個d
例子: ADX5000, D8000, Empyrean, HD800s, SR 009s, HE-1

平板推介(歡迎提供推介)
。HE4XX (open back) (massdrop)
。th-t60rp (semi-open back)
。th-500rp (open back)
。PM-1 (open back)
。PM-3 (open back)

on-ear推介(歡迎提供推介)
。Momentum on ear 2 (closed back)
。T51P (closed back)


AMP/ DAC + AMP推介(歡迎提供推介)
Under 2k:
。Magni (純AMP)

2-4k:
。dac1101 (Combo)
。aune s6 (Combo)

4-10k
。ADI-2 DAC (Combo)

10k以上
work in progress

電腦播放軟件推介(歡迎提供推介)
。Foobar 2000 (Windows)
免費,多人用,有唔同plugin 及theme
。jriver (Windows, Mac, Linux)
$79.98 US三平台,$59.98 US單平台
多人用,好聲過foobar
。TuneBrowser (Windows)
$1620 yen (約 $130港幣),平得黎好聲過foobar,有巴打話分析力好過jriver
。jplay (Windows)
€149.00
電腦播歌高級玩法,最複雜setup 要分2部PC,一部做decode,一部做control同storage
jplay本身有player,不過係headless,要用其他software如foobar/ jriver控制
2019-05-13 17:00:12
ASIO唔同聲因為避開OS個audio path
program做咗啲手腳加鹽加醋呢個唔似會
PCM就難講,DSD就應該好難做到
除非個program先將DSD decode做PCM,加完料再轉做DSD
但咁做個delay就好大
我覺得係個program optimise得好,避開更多OS上會搞audio的因素所以先唔同聲
所以先有jplay
2019-05-13 17:17:58
ASIO已經係有一個專用嘅address,理應唔受application layer其他program影響
反而如果冇喺M$個濕鳩DS度disable咗個device就有機會有collapsing
Win7已經法覺個device就算唔係primary output device,都會定時定候有memory access
2019-05-13 17:28:35
jplay好似幾有趣
2019-05-13 17:30:04
一部包住desktop外殼嘅player
2019-05-13 17:34:32
仲有無多啲呢啲hi-end嘢
2019-05-13 17:37:05


即係個system / user太多垃圾行緊,要做手腳俾個player優先
2019-05-13 17:40:58
的確
tunebrowser feel 到係有提升。tunebrowser 高音係出咗,但係令到整體音色纖瘦咗,所以唔太可以話tunebrowser 100% 好聽過 foobar,啱啱轉過嚟都要適應下無咗嘅果種矇矓感
2019-05-13 17:41:45
2019-05-13 17:42:02
jplay係player,不過要optimise windows的話仲要多兩樣野
1. Audiophile Optimizer
2. fidelizer
同埋,玩同呢個level的話,會用winodws server (2012r2 or 2016)而唔係windows 10,因為windows server可以行更少無關process
以上幾樣夾埋(jplay用audio PC config)已經係我所知最終極玩法
等睇其他巴打出手
2019-05-13 17:43:58
149 歐羅
2019-05-13 17:44:47
試咗先囉
2019-05-13 17:49:12
唔知玩audio PC個config要唔要比兩次錢?
不過我都係冇兩部PC玩播歌
2019-05-13 18:01:33
話時話
下個post不如用返座枱式, 家用, 或者桌面我諗家用應該最恰當
日韓台式咩
2019-05-13 18:08:44
ok
2019-05-13 18:18:14
2019-05-13 20:03:48
其實windows 要 optimize,都唔係好難
https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/207805936-Windows-Optimization-Optional-Settings?mobile_site=true

最好就鎖埋CPU 個頻,disable speedstep,power saving CPU state 等等

如果你地玩原音要bit perfect的話,俾個哲學性問題你:
你聽的歌都係DAW export 出黎的,咁用DAW 播歌會唔會仲好呢?
Reaper係free,有興趣可以試下

就算enginner 好多都話唔同DAW 會唔同聲,mac好聲過PC……我多數都係笑一笑就算

software set好,其實都係無乜分別
2019-05-13 20:19:19
我記得有個方法開ultimate performance
比high performance更高級
2019-05-13 20:34:50
如果你粒U夠多core,可以行cpu affinity/pinning 同real time priority
2019-05-13 21:49:00

呢度應該點set?
fixed physical core定specified core?
下面set 4, 5, 6, 7?
我8700k
2019-05-13 21:54:57
最好係assign fixed physical core,然後第一粒physical core 唔好assign,因為OS多數會用o個粒先
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