【基督教討論】我係教會傳道人，你問我盡答？！

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黎巴之前都有覆過，可以參考下

咁你設定錯吖嘛
雙重假設嚟
你處理咗上天堂的條件呢件事先

巴打會點樣令朋友信教？

你試下同夭折嬰兒ge父母講同一番說話
或者等你個嬰孩比人殺死我同你講同一番說語


無人性ge說語可唔可以唔好講

點睇阿拉？

多謝詳細回應。不過某D教會比外人感覺真係有錢：成棟物業、商場旺鋪。。。。。可能窮果D無人見到啦。

都爬過幾篇文，仲係有個疑問。見到話舊約D規矩已經過時，或者對我地既時代唔適用，咁點解去到奉獻問題時，又引用舊約典故去鼓勵信徒(雖然不是強制)去奉獻10%呢？

例如，如果代逝去兄弟繁殖後代，婦女唔准發言等等係某時代既過時標準，點解十一奉獻精神又唔會過時？

謝謝！

你做老豆末？
我都係咁，仲係on99 工作好忙嘅社畜

我估你有啲誤會我個例子嘅意思。我用呢個思想實驗嘅目的唔係想支持個殺手，而係我想指出樓主倫理觀嘅內部問題。

作為一個無神論者，我絕對會話個殺手係冷血，無人性，正仆街etc。而我嘅理由都好簡單：我assume人死咗就咩都無，唔會要去啲咩死後世界之類。因此，當你奪去人哋嘅現世嘅時候，你就係奪去咗人哋嘅一切（亦自然罪大惡極）。

但作為信徒可唔可以作同一個判斷呢？首先，佢哋唔敢講上帝會唔會處罰又或者讚賞呢個殺手。正如樓主所講：「哇，呢個都係一個好極端嘅情況。我會話呢個殺手都係下緊一個好危險嘅賭博，因為佢唔知道上帝會點樣判定佢呢個行為」，姐係其實佢都唔sure上帝嘅道德 decision criteria係咩。呢度side-track衍生一個問題：教徒點知自己無誤讀聖經，又點確保自己係行緊善呢？

第二，我係想透過呢個例子指出現世道德同死後世界嘅價值嘅矛盾。既然現世咁微不足道而死後上天堂又咁重要，呢個殺手（喺重視天堂嘅倫理觀上）好likely算功大於過？

如我好現實咁去睇教會
宗教都係一盤生意
越多人信，越多人買，教會生意先越做越大

可以透露你哋堂口有幾多個固定信眾
每月收入中概幾多到？
其他行家會唔會都同你分享生意情報？

你有提過，有啲教會蝕緊錢，處於執笠邊緣
其實你哋呢行仲有無得做㗎？

都要食飯㗎？

做左幾年喇
做左先知道咩叫做天國入面正是好似小孩子咁既人，成日聽到神用佢講野
咁你呢？去到邊個階段？
又唔好咁講既，你做既野點都有意義，唔係都唔洗咁忙

最後果句雖然知你未必認真

現實生活最好唔好隨便拎出來講
除非你好朋友係佳哥

可摸耳井多少少
中式就聽得多
香港連西式都有？
又會唔會用香燭？定係用聖水？

我信有神，只係我覺得神唔一定等如正確。整人類出黎根本搵黎搞，根本呢個世界大部份人都係受苦，死後又要繼續係地獄受，既然神係全知全能，佢無理由唔知充滿缺陷的人類根本注定失敗。

俾我感覺神整人類出黎就係歌頌佢，係聖經神叫亞伯拉罕獻自己個仔做燔祭就係好例子。呢單野真心變態，為左要信徒證明自己，要考驗佢肯唔肯殺親生骨肉，同樣行為換轉其他人做，直頭係邪教行為。

老實講，我都唔想落地獄，但係我又迫唔到自己真心對佢歌功頌德。

怨？點會怨
耶穌一早知自己受難同痛苦
佢有自由意志其實可以選擇唔受
佢就係想為世人既罪而贖罪
希望藉此事件犧牲自己將世人所有罪名咩哂上身
所以耶穌係好偉大呢一點係無容置疑

我想知道點解路西法唔肯跪下於聖子而率領三分一天使叛變上帝
而從古至今路西法都未上番天堂？
未同上帝和好？
都已經接近千幾年既事
咁究竟幾時撤旦同上帝唔再打交？
既然上帝愛世人
點解唔愛埋撤旦？
點解天使都會叛變？

某程度上帝要考驗亞伯拉罕既忠誠要獻自己個仔做祭品呢件事上面係唔人道，但係上帝都冇殺亞伯拉罕個仔以撤，亦賜佢今後子孫好多好多。

我覺得人類既存在係有必要，只係係呢個宇宙當中其一既生物，唔通我地又話宇宙其他星球既生物唔應該存在咩？

人類係世上就要進化要正確使用觀念呢個世界太多人有愚昧既思維，人同人被此之間會有好多誤解好多誤會，戰爭亦帶來好多因怨情仇持續到世世代代，你見以色列同哈馬斯既戰爭就知，宗教之間亦存在誤會，大家既戰爭亦冇停過。

就算有冇神都好，人類要正確使用智慧，將來必定要邁向其他星球同其他生物溝通和好互相理解呢個係事實亦係人類既命運

我地身為人到現時其實真係變得好妙少，同埋年齡好有限平均只有70年命真係好少好少時間，以前神話傳說平均人年齡都幾百歲﹐亞當都9百幾歲先死。

所以人類到最後都要繼續進化繼續演變。

你有冇睇過呢套戲？
好好睇

https://youtu.be/HfRHH30EnSM?feature=shared

如果你係俾人綁上祭壇個仔，你會覺得神最後無殺自己真係好，定係心諗個老豆同個神真係痴撚線，自己條命的價值係老豆心中就只係用黎取悅個神

根本成件事係極自私的行為，就算神最後賜福俾亞伯拉罕，都只係表揚緊佢同意呀仔條命比唔上取悅神呢個行為。

你唔係信緊耶穌教導都唔緊要？

耶穌定彼得定保羅教導有乜分別，基督教經過二千年，你唔係認為冇改變過，我地重係行緊二千年前個套，睇來你係對耶教不認識同有少少敵視，你不如去理解吓耶教歷史（唔係上帝乜乜，神蹟個種，係入世個種）同讀吓宗教哲學

How Jesus Became Christian (New York: St. Martin’s Press; Toronto, Random House; London, Orion Publishing) is a 2008 book by the Canadian historian and philosopher of religion, Barrie Wilson, which suggests a "cover-up hypothesis" to explain why the religion that evolved from Jesus was so different from what Jesus himself taught and practised.

The historical analymethodes how a human Jewish teacher claiming to be the Messiah became the dying-rising God-human savior of humanity. In the book, Wilson advances “the Jesus Cover-Up” hypothesis, contending that the theology of Paul covered the teachings of Jesus and those of his first followers, the Jesus Movement led by Jesus’ brother James. Wilson shows in detail how Paul’s theology differs from them in terms of origin, teaching and practice.

Having claimed that Paul’s religion differs from that of Jesus and his first followers, Wilson argues that the covering up takes place within the Book of Acts. In this late first-century writing, Paul’s non-Torah-observant movement becomes grafted on to a Torah-observant one, the so-called Council of Jerusalem being an important step in this development. Thus a new model of Christian origins is proposed, that Paul's was a separate religion, with different beliefs and practices than those of Jesus' first followers. This new religion, one with a different origin, becomes attached to the one that first emanated from Jesus. Thus a Jewish religion focused on the Kingdom of God and the messianic era is transformed into a Gentile one that worships a dying-rising saviour God-human. The shift involves moving the focus from the message to the messenger.

Wilson also notes that the Book of Acts represents an influential work of historical revisionism, noting that it is the one work of the Bible that we can compare to something else to judge accuracy. In this case, we can compare what Paul says about himself with what the unknown author of the Book of Acts says about him. The former represents the Paul of history, the latter the mythologized Paul. The discrepancies between the two are significant as the author of Acts tries to downplay the enmity that existed between Paul and James.

The book also traces the evolution of Christian appropriation of Jewish symbols and beliefs as well as the rise of Christian anti-semitism.

How Jesus Became Christian was shortlisted for the Cundill Prize in History.[1] In 2009 the book received the Tanenbaum Award in History at the Canadian Jewish Book Awards.

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