LIHKG機械鍵盤集中討論區#7

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2017-04-30 22:29:25
知唔知 Logitech g413有貨未?

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呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]
2017-04-30 22:30:07
知唔知 Logitech g413有貨未?

Logitech
https://na.cx/i/YTeD20S.jpg

https://na.cx/i/X4FNL9h.jpg


https://na.cx/i/00110O5.jpg

https://na.cx/i/mBBq649.png

https://na.cx/i/wt22J3i.jpg
https://na.cx/i/996a0Ad.jpg

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫
2017-04-30 22:36:40
知唔知 Logitech g413有貨未?

Logitech
https://na.cx/i/YTeD20S.jpg

https://na.cx/i/X4FNL9h.jpg


https://na.cx/i/00110O5.jpg

https://na.cx/i/mBBq649.png

https://na.cx/i/wt22J3i.jpg
https://na.cx/i/996a0Ad.jpg

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢
2017-04-30 22:49:07
知唔知 Logitech g413有貨未?

Logitech
https://na.cx/i/YTeD20S.jpg

https://na.cx/i/X4FNL9h.jpg


https://na.cx/i/00110O5.jpg

https://na.cx/i/mBBq649.png

https://na.cx/i/wt22J3i.jpg
https://na.cx/i/996a0Ad.jpg

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

網站review寫L記幾好㗎喎
2017-04-30 22:52:07

Logitech
https://na.cx/i/YTeD20S.jpg

https://na.cx/i/X4FNL9h.jpg


https://na.cx/i/00110O5.jpg

https://na.cx/i/mBBq649.png

https://na.cx/i/wt22J3i.jpg
https://na.cx/i/996a0Ad.jpg

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

網站review寫L記幾好㗎喎

Mouse真係幾好
2017-04-30 23:04:34
知唔知 Logitech g413有貨未?

Logitech
https://na.cx/i/YTeD20S.jpg

https://na.cx/i/X4FNL9h.jpg


https://na.cx/i/00110O5.jpg

https://na.cx/i/mBBq649.png

https://na.cx/i/wt22J3i.jpg
https://na.cx/i/996a0Ad.jpg

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

廢事成條金剛棒咁阻住哂先落url
執好哂一次過轉img

Razer有冇野要補充
好似有d少
2017-04-30 23:09:32

Logitech
https://na.cx/i/YTeD20S.jpg

https://na.cx/i/X4FNL9h.jpg


https://na.cx/i/00110O5.jpg

https://na.cx/i/mBBq649.png

https://na.cx/i/wt22J3i.jpg
https://na.cx/i/996a0Ad.jpg

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

廢事成條金剛棒咁阻住哂先落url
執好哂一次過轉img

Razer有冇野要補充
好似有d少

好難用圖片表主達手感轉變
2017-04-30 23:10:10
宜家啲 keyboard 仲會唔會有 menu 製？之前部 notebook 有用慣咗
定係都係要用autohotkeys
2017-04-30 23:11:57
掣
2017-04-30 23:13:21
掣

對唔住我打錯
2017-04-30 23:34:42
宜家啲 keyboard 仲會唔會有 menu 製？之前部 notebook 有用慣咗
定係都係要用autohotkeys

有啲有 有啲喺Fn layer (要㩒實Fn再㩒另一個制)
2017-05-01 02:14:17

加油啦 自家設計可以試下設計啲香港啱用嘅keyboard，你知啦，香港地方窄，啲空間唔夠要向高發展

多層鍵盤

多行係上面姐，唔使多層嘅

由100%嘅6row縮落65/60%嘅5row 再縮落40%嘅4row 你覺得7row或以上有巿場咩
雖然好似呢排啲人鍾意75%又變返6row

香港一定有啦，嗰個張枱都細撚過西咁

我覺得未必，你隻鍵盤打幢太長嘅話都唔係張張枱有位擺，好多人枱面放隻moon再加隻鍵盤都已經麻麻地夠位嘅話，重要加多個row咪真係死得

我覺得60/65%左手邊加兩行macrokeys嘅話都叫做ok，因為好多枱都放得落100%鍵盤，不過問題係唔係個個人都接受到60/65%，可能tenkey+60/65%會好啲？

類似咁？http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=M1&=M2&_x:0.25%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Backspace&_x:0.25%3B&=Insert%3B&@=M3&=M4&_x:0.25&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C&_x:0.25%3B&=Delete%3B&@=M5&=M6&_x:0.25&w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@=M7&=M8&_x:0.25&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2%3B&=Shift&=%E2%86%91%3B&@=M9&=M10&_x:0.25&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&=Win&=FN&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92

好想要

你個layout唔錯 66key+2行macro
但係隻2u shift有啲難揾
或者要好似redscarf rs78咁
(standard 65%)68key+2行macro
其實1.75u shift未必易揾好多

其實兩個2.25 shift 都唔錯
2017-05-01 02:58:03

加油啦 自家設計可以試下設計啲香港啱用嘅keyboard，你知啦，香港地方窄，啲空間唔夠要向高發展

多層鍵盤

多行係上面姐，唔使多層嘅

由100%嘅6row縮落65/60%嘅5row 再縮落40%嘅4row 你覺得7row或以上有巿場咩
雖然好似呢排啲人鍾意75%又變返6row

香港一定有啦，嗰個張枱都細撚過西咁

我覺得未必，你隻鍵盤打幢太長嘅話都唔係張張枱有位擺，好多人枱面放隻moon再加隻鍵盤都已經麻麻地夠位嘅話，重要加多個row咪真係死得

我覺得60/65%左手邊加兩行macrokeys嘅話都叫做ok，因為好多枱都放得落100%鍵盤，不過問題係唔係個個人都接受到60/65%，可能tenkey+60/65%會好啲？

類似咁？http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=M1&=M2&_x:0.25%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Backspace&_x:0.25%3B&=Insert%3B&@=M3&=M4&_x:0.25&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C&_x:0.25%3B&=Delete%3B&@=M5&=M6&_x:0.25&w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@=M7&=M8&_x:0.25&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2%3B&=Shift&=%E2%86%91%3B&@=M9&=M10&_x:0.25&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&=Win&=FN&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92

好想要

你個layout唔錯 66key+2行macro
但係隻2u shift有啲難揾
或者要好似redscarf rs78咁
(standard 65%)68key+2行macro
其實1.75u shift未必易揾好多

其實兩個2.25 shift 都唔錯


如果咁會唔會搵唔到掣
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=M1&=M2&_x:0.25%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Bs%3B&@=M3&=M4&_x:0.25&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C%3B&@=M5&=M6&_x:0.25&w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@=M7&=M8&_x:0.25&w:2%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&=Shift&=%E2%86%91&=FN%3B&@=M9&=M10&_x:0.25&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4%3B&=Alt&=Win&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92
2017-05-01 04:13:35

加油啦 自家設計可以試下設計啲香港啱用嘅keyboard，你知啦，香港地方窄，啲空間唔夠要向高發展

多層鍵盤

多行係上面姐，唔使多層嘅

由100%嘅6row縮落65/60%嘅5row 再縮落40%嘅4row 你覺得7row或以上有巿場咩
雖然好似呢排啲人鍾意75%又變返6row

香港一定有啦，嗰個張枱都細撚過西咁

我覺得未必，你隻鍵盤打幢太長嘅話都唔係張張枱有位擺，好多人枱面放隻moon再加隻鍵盤都已經麻麻地夠位嘅話，重要加多個row咪真係死得

我覺得60/65%左手邊加兩行macrokeys嘅話都叫做ok，因為好多枱都放得落100%鍵盤，不過問題係唔係個個人都接受到60/65%，可能tenkey+60/65%會好啲？

類似咁？http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=M1&=M2&_x:0.25%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Backspace&_x:0.25%3B&=Insert%3B&@=M3&=M4&_x:0.25&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C&_x:0.25%3B&=Delete%3B&@=M5&=M6&_x:0.25&w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@=M7&=M8&_x:0.25&w:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2%3B&=Shift&=%E2%86%91%3B&@=M9&=M10&_x:0.25&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4&w:1.25%3B&=Alt&=Win&=FN&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92

好想要

你個layout唔錯 66key+2行macro
但係隻2u shift有啲難揾
或者要好似redscarf rs78咁
(standard 65%)68key+2行macro
其實1.75u shift未必易揾好多

其實兩個2.25 shift 都唔錯


如果咁會唔會搵唔到掣
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=M1&=M2&_x:0.25%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Bs%3B&@=M3&=M4&_x:0.25&w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C%3B&@=M5&=M6&_x:0.25&w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@=M7&=M8&_x:0.25&w:2%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&=Shift&=%E2%86%91&=FN%3B&@=M9&=M10&_x:0.25&w:1.25%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.25%3B&=Win&_w:1.25%3B&=Alt&_a:7&w:6.25%3B&=&_a:4%3B&=Alt&=Win&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92

啲人好似慣咗有insert同del 同埋個shift有啲難搵
2017-05-01 09:48:33
宜家啲 keyboard 仲會唔會有 menu 製？之前部 notebook 有用慣咗
定係都係要用autohotkeys

有啲有 有啲喺Fn layer (要㩒實Fn再㩒另一個制)

其實Windows default shift f10 已經得
雖則我都同上program一粒喺左手單手打到嘅function layer
2017-05-01 12:06:29
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https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01MY6O0O2/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

想問下兩者有咩分別，一個貴350蚊到
2017-05-01 13:45:23
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https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01MY6O0O2/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

想問下兩者有咩分別，一個貴350蚊到

都係垃圾
2017-05-01 14:29:16
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https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01MY6O0O2/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

想問下兩者有咩分別，一個貴350蚊到

都係垃圾

啲咁嘅支那垃圾都諗住去日森買
2017-05-01 14:42:36

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

廢事成條金剛棒咁阻住哂先落url
執好哂一次過轉img

Razer有冇野要補充
好似有d少

好難用圖片表主達手感轉變

齋講K軸垃圾有冇得諗
2017-05-01 14:44:42
https://www.amazon.co.jp/AZIO-RETRO-%E3%83%A1%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8B%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89-%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%BC%B8%E5%85%A5%E4%BF%9D%E8%A8%BC%E5%93%81/dp/B01LY32G54/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1493606819&sr=8-26-spons&keywords=keyboard+US&psc=1

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想問下兩者有咩分別，一個貴350蚊到

都係垃圾

好彩無買，成千1－2蚊 AZIO個keyboard、差D中伏
2017-05-01 14:45:04
https://www.amazon.co.jp/AZIO-RETRO-%E3%83%A1%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8B%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89-%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%BC%B8%E5%85%A5%E4%BF%9D%E8%A8%BC%E5%93%81/dp/B01LY32G54/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1493606819&sr=8-26-spons&keywords=keyboard+US&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01MY6O0O2/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

想問下兩者有咩分別，一個貴350蚊到

都係垃圾

啲咁嘅支那垃圾都諗住去日森買

係日本住，無計
2017-05-01 14:50:57
https://www.amazon.co.jp/AZIO-RETRO-%E3%83%A1%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8B%E3%82%AB%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89-%E3%82%BF%E3%82%A4%E3%83%97%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC-%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97-%E6%AD%A3%E8%A6%8F%E8%BC%B8%E5%85%A5%E4%BF%9D%E8%A8%BC%E5%93%81/dp/B01LY32G54/ref=sr_1_26?ie=UTF8&qid=1493606819&sr=8-26-spons&keywords=keyboard+US&psc=1

https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B01MY6O0O2/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

想問下兩者有咩分別，一個貴350蚊到

都係垃圾

啲咁嘅支那垃圾都諗住去日森買

係日本住，無計

咁仲離譜
出去買隻 Hi-Pro 乜都屌打晒啦
2017-05-01 14:56:20

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

廢事成條金剛棒咁阻住哂先落url
執好哂一次過轉img

Razer有冇野要補充
好似有d少

好難用圖片表主達手感轉變

齋講K軸垃圾有冇得諗

軸好似轉咗(?)係O廠造
2017-05-01 15:02:34

呢招好用

逐條link撳有啲慢
不過呢招唔錯

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

廢事成條金剛棒咁阻住哂先落url
執好哂一次過轉img

Razer有冇野要補充
好似有d少

好難用圖片表主達手感轉變

齋講K軸垃圾有冇得諗

軸好似轉咗(?)係O廠造

https://youtu.be/7bC7I0OkW4M
keyword: razer keyboard double typing
除咗將成半分鐘嘅片整做gif 有冇其他方法可以表達到
2017-05-01 15:02:47

啱啱食飯 下次轉返[img]圖片網址[/img]


好圖唔介意重溫

以後邊個再問就一堆圖扔撚死佢

廢事成條金剛棒咁阻住哂先落url
執好哂一次過轉img

Razer有冇野要補充
好似有d少

好難用圖片表主達手感轉變

齋講K軸垃圾有冇得諗

軸好似轉咗(?)係O廠造

都係垃圾
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