宋朝軍隊有多強?讓蒙古軍隊打了40年才滅亡

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書桓 2017-04-04 17:24:59
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

我幾時有唔講,問題係教科書只係focus係蒙古軍事征服既印象本身已經係偏頗,而教科書寫漢朝自己點樣開疆辟土又唔會講自己點樣殘殺異族,根本係雙重標準。

漢族有冇對一個文明種族滅絕?
蒙古係毀滅文明同屠城為戰術
波斯1200萬人死剩100萬人
同普通戰爭比?
邊個偏頗你知我知單眼佬都知

百越?
Sumption 2017-04-04 17:25:09
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

其實照你呢個咁偏激嘅思維,所有遊牧民族都應該要施以種族滅絕

冇人話要滅佢族只係蒙古侵略根本係劣幣驅良幣,幾多文明比佢收左皮,所謂蒙古帶起全球貿易只係副產品

真係笑死,偏頗成咁反而話人地偏頗
雅各賓派 2017-04-04 17:25:18
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據
玩世不恭 2017-04-04 17:25:39
古代打仗講緊你有幾多騎兵,
騎兵多,戰況已經贏一半.
騎兵單兵作戰能力同集體衝鋒能力都好優秀,
最緊要係可以打閃電戰,突襲,圍城戰.
步兵可以做乜?
打贏追擊騎兵果陣,又追唔上,追太遠又顧唔到屋企.
打輸想退,又退唔到比騎兵超前斷後路.

宋朝冇左北方戰馬,等於冇得訓練騎兵.
南方d馬瘦弱,做唔到戰馬.
西涼馬又唔係你宋家地方.

有d人話用弓兵克騎兵,
古代弓箭最多射到100米.
而且傷害不足,普通牛皮都射唔穿.
射程不足,傷害不足,未必下下中.
弓兵價值其實只會用來守城.

宋朝更大的問題我覺得屬於體制上.
黃安石變法失敗.源頭上無法解決軍備軍事欠缺的問題.

所以當年聯蒙滅金之後
諗住收復比蒙古仔玩到仆街
根本欠缺騎兵就難作長線遠距離戰爭
亦係南宋唔敢輕易北代其中一個原因

騎兵係中國就屈機 因為平原多 相反好多外國地方都係山城 例如巴爾幹半島咁 騎兵係嗰啲地方食得屎
Sumption 2017-04-04 17:27:11
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁
書桓 2017-04-04 17:27:21
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

南北朝時期啲漢人咪一樣大規模奴役屠殺啲原住民
仙知卡加華 2017-04-04 17:28:34
咁請問中共自古以來計唔計蒙古先?
書桓 2017-04-04 17:28:49
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁


依層氣候轉變應該先係主因
伊勢新九郎盛時 2017-04-04 17:29:15
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

我幾時有唔講,問題係教科書只係focus係蒙古軍事征服既印象本身已經係偏頗,而教科書寫漢朝自己點樣開疆辟土又唔會講自己點樣殘殺異族,根本係雙重標準。

漢族有冇對一個文明種族滅絕?
蒙古係毀滅文明同屠城為戰術
波斯1200萬人死剩100萬人
同普通戰爭比?
邊個偏頗你知我知單眼佬都知

百越?

好似直到宋朝嶺南先係漢人多過越人架喎大哥
雅各賓派 2017-04-04 17:29:35
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

其實照你呢個咁偏激嘅思維,所有遊牧民族都應該要施以種族滅絕

冇人話要滅佢族只係蒙古侵略根本係劣幣驅良幣,幾多文明比佢收左皮,所謂蒙古帶起全球貿易只係副產品

蠻族入侵不一定係劣幣驅良幣,好似日耳曼人入侵羅馬反而係幫西方文化續命
就好似蒙古既入侵最起碼為帶來左中原地區來自中亞既科學同技術,問題係,蒙古人入主之後沿用翻中原各套吏治國家,反而係將蒙古本身既部落傳統削弱導致蒙古人本身由蠻族墮落成費拉
永遠的隊長 2017-04-04 17:29:55
漢人首次淪陷

其實唔係首次,漢人喺五胡亂華已經被破處,不過北方異族軍閥比後來入侵支那嘅漁獵民族更樂於被漢人同化

自秦開始同化外族先係維持王朝最重要既方法 比外族坐大死撚緊
祥鶴 2017-04-04 17:30:02
古代打仗講緊你有幾多騎兵,
騎兵多,戰況已經贏一半.
騎兵單兵作戰能力同集體衝鋒能力都好優秀,
最緊要係可以打閃電戰,突襲,圍城戰.
步兵可以做乜?
打贏追擊騎兵果陣,又追唔上,追太遠又顧唔到屋企.
打輸想退,又退唔到比騎兵超前斷後路.

宋朝冇左北方戰馬,等於冇得訓練騎兵.
南方d馬瘦弱,做唔到戰馬.
西涼馬又唔係你宋家地方.

有d人話用弓兵克騎兵,
古代弓箭最多射到100米.
而且傷害不足,普通牛皮都射唔穿.
射程不足,傷害不足,未必下下中.
弓兵價值其實只會用來守城.

宋朝更大的問題我覺得屬於體制上.
黃安石變法失敗.源頭上無法解決軍備軍事欠缺的問題.

所以當年聯蒙滅金之後
諗住收復比蒙古仔玩到仆街
根本欠缺騎兵就難作長線遠距離戰爭
亦係南宋唔敢輕易北代其中一個原因

騎兵係中國就屈機 因為平原多 相反好多外國地方都係山城 例如巴爾幹半島咁 騎兵係嗰啲地方食得屎

中國騎兵屈機?吓據我所知中國嘅騎兵係喺明朝先開始發揚光大,例如關寧鐵騎
Sumption 2017-04-04 17:30:46
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁


依層氣候轉變應該先係主因

在中亞河中地區和大呼羅珊,自希臘—巴克特利亞王國時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀滅,同時也伴隨着無數良田荒蕪和成為沙漠;在西亞,自阿卡德帝國和古巴比倫時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀壞,大量良田荒蕪。

關氣候乜撚野事,啲地一下子變晒不覺之地
冰河時期?
亞力姑 2017-04-04 17:30:57
睇哂成段野 宋朝都係輸內鬼 叛徒
中國幾千年黎都係咁輸本性
雅各賓派 2017-04-04 17:31:13
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁

數據來源?
玩世不恭 2017-04-04 17:32:12
古代打仗講緊你有幾多騎兵,
騎兵多,戰況已經贏一半.
騎兵單兵作戰能力同集體衝鋒能力都好優秀,
最緊要係可以打閃電戰,突襲,圍城戰.
步兵可以做乜?
打贏追擊騎兵果陣,又追唔上,追太遠又顧唔到屋企.
打輸想退,又退唔到比騎兵超前斷後路.

宋朝冇左北方戰馬,等於冇得訓練騎兵.
南方d馬瘦弱,做唔到戰馬.
西涼馬又唔係你宋家地方.

有d人話用弓兵克騎兵,
古代弓箭最多射到100米.
而且傷害不足,普通牛皮都射唔穿.
射程不足,傷害不足,未必下下中.
弓兵價值其實只會用來守城.

宋朝更大的問題我覺得屬於體制上.
黃安石變法失敗.源頭上無法解決軍備軍事欠缺的問題.

所以當年聯蒙滅金之後
諗住收復比蒙古仔玩到仆街
根本欠缺騎兵就難作長線遠距離戰爭
亦係南宋唔敢輕易北代其中一個原因

騎兵係中國就屈機 因為平原多 相反好多外國地方都係山城 例如巴爾幹半島咁 騎兵係嗰啲地方食得屎

中國騎兵屈機?吓據我所知中國嘅騎兵係喺明朝先開始發揚光大,例如關寧鐵騎

我意思係 騎兵在中國屈機 唔係中國騎兵屈機 中國騎兵垃圾黎 關寧鐵騎 遼東鐵騎啲血統都唔係中原人
書桓 2017-04-04 17:32:27
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁


依層氣候轉變應該先係主因

在中亞河中地區和大呼羅珊,自希臘—巴克特利亞王國時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀滅,同時也伴隨着無數良田荒蕪和成為沙漠;在西亞,自阿卡德帝國和古巴比倫時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀壞,大量良田荒蕪。

關氣候乜撚野事,啲地一下子變晒不覺之地
冰河時期?

你講緊依家都未恢復到啊嘛
玩世不恭 2017-04-04 17:33:09
睇哂成段野 宋朝都係輸內鬼 叛徒
中國幾千年黎都係咁輸本性

來生不做中國人
雅各賓派 2017-04-04 17:36:52
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁


依層氣候轉變應該先係主因

在中亞河中地區和大呼羅珊,自希臘—巴克特利亞王國時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀滅,同時也伴隨着無數良田荒蕪和成為沙漠;在西亞,自阿卡德帝國和古巴比倫時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀壞,大量良田荒蕪。

關氣候乜撚野事,啲地一下子變晒不覺之地
冰河時期?

你齋cite人地d資料可以見到你本身對中亞歷史係一無所知
中亞地區既希臘遺產係伊斯蘭教入侵之後已經清左一波,本身中亞地區繼承希臘-馬其頓遺產既係一堆佛教國家,伊斯蘭教入侵之後好多呢類城邦國家已經荒廢左,後來建立伊斯蘭教國家既突厥系,本身係雇傭兵,早就唔識點維護呢類水利灌溉系統

所以你個講法就好似蒙古入侵令春秋戰火以來的xxx徹底毀滅一樣可笑
Sumption 2017-04-04 17:37:25
蒙古統治既貢獻,自己search下Pax Mongolica,係歷史上第一次出現跨越歐亞既貿易體系,西方史學界,包括埋日本都係承認既。

Under the Mongols new technologies and commodities were exchanged across the Old World, particularly Eurasia. Professor Thomas T.Allsen noted many personnel exchanges occurred during the Mongol period.[38] There were many significant developments in economy (especially trade and public finance), military, medicine, agriculture, cuisine, astronomy, printing, geography, and historiography, which were not limited to Eurasia but also included North Africa. The Mongolian Empire functioned as the principal cultural clearing house for the Old World until its downturn when it was gradually replaced by maritime Europe which in time came to perform similar offices for the Old World and the New.

當然打仗一定係死人,當年凱撒征服高盧都差唔多殺左人地幾百萬,歐洲人開拓新大陸一樣殺左唔少人

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁

數據來源?

The Mongol Warlords: Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, Hulegu, Tamerlane
書桓 2017-04-04 17:38:29

你都幾撚好笑,殺左一個國家多過一半人,毀滅無數文明,摧毀絕大多數肥沃土地你唔講,幫蒙古打飛機?
一句講晒,蒙古嘅出現對世界都係disaster

凱撒會唔會整爛晒人地d地 個規模咁誇張
整爛d耕地真係好絕

羅馬當時點開疆辟土我其實係學術台已經開po講過
消滅迦太基個時直頭去人地個國家到撒鹽令你種唔到野
高盧本身唔係沙漠地區,羅馬消滅唔到人地既經濟基礎,但大量虜拐人口,殺死男人將女人當做性奴隸呢d好平常

秦朝,漢朝征服嶺南既手段其實一樣,宜家南方人父系dna係來自東北亞,母系rna來自百越就係呢種殺父娶母現象既證據

蒙古摧毀嘅土地而家都恢復唔到當年嘅60%
邊個國家破壞性高到咁


依層氣候轉變應該先係主因

在中亞河中地區和大呼羅珊,自希臘—巴克特利亞王國時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀滅,同時也伴隨着無數良田荒蕪和成為沙漠;在西亞,自阿卡德帝國和古巴比倫時期建立的水利灌溉系統被徹底毀壞,大量良田荒蕪。

關氣候乜撚野事,啲地一下子變晒不覺之地
冰河時期?

你齋cite人地d資料可以見到你本身對中亞歷史係一無所知
中亞地區既希臘遺產係伊斯蘭教入侵之後已經清左一波,本身中亞地區繼承希臘-馬其頓遺產既係一堆佛教國家,伊斯蘭教入侵之後好多呢類城邦國家已經荒廢左,後來建立伊斯蘭教國家既突厥系,本身係雇傭兵,早就唔識點維護呢類水利灌溉系統

所以你個講法就好似蒙古入侵令春秋戰火以來的xxx徹底毀滅一樣可笑

咁蒙古又真係徹底破壞咗bagdad 嘅
嗰圖書館
祥鶴 2017-04-04 17:38:33
古代打仗講緊你有幾多騎兵,
騎兵多,戰況已經贏一半.
騎兵單兵作戰能力同集體衝鋒能力都好優秀,
最緊要係可以打閃電戰,突襲,圍城戰.
步兵可以做乜?
打贏追擊騎兵果陣,又追唔上,追太遠又顧唔到屋企.
打輸想退,又退唔到比騎兵超前斷後路.

宋朝冇左北方戰馬,等於冇得訓練騎兵.
南方d馬瘦弱,做唔到戰馬.
西涼馬又唔係你宋家地方.

有d人話用弓兵克騎兵,
古代弓箭最多射到100米.
而且傷害不足,普通牛皮都射唔穿.
射程不足,傷害不足,未必下下中.
弓兵價值其實只會用來守城.

宋朝更大的問題我覺得屬於體制上.
黃安石變法失敗.源頭上無法解決軍備軍事欠缺的問題.

所以當年聯蒙滅金之後
諗住收復洛陽比蒙古仔玩到仆街
根本欠缺騎兵就難作長線遠距離戰爭
亦係南宋唔敢輕易北代其中一個原因



成班hihi話南宋冇心北伐,
佢地根本唔知冇馬打遠征有幾撚麻煩,
一日行得幾十公里都冇,夜晚休息果陣又要驚比人突襲,
糧食又要日日補,訓教又要搵地方訓,
行得慢,遇落雨天機會增加,淋一淋,人病兵器糧食壞,
最重要係士氣,
拖一拖幾個月即刻個個冇心打仗.
個個都以為自己連登孔明咩?以為北伐咁撚易

補給線過長,唔係每個將領都玩得起,又要運糧草又點又物,牧民就唔同,唔需要種田,間唔中揸吓奶(有羊有馬)就粗粗地醫吓肚,飽飽地又南下出發狩獵漢人
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