美國X有人逐點講解點解今日加州大火係終極人禍

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2025-01-11 11:24:55
你唔可以用香港個種不惜工本去做基建
外國d傳統區基建分分鐘係同百鳩年前一鳩樣
係要upgrade個區基建
首先你要有錢,你想入去做野
個區既有錢人九成反對到仆街
點解你要扑左我條路幾日
點解的要就你幾日,憑乜
唔同香港呢d野習慣晒
2025-01-11 11:30:15
首先

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power was pumping from aqueducts and groundwater into the system, but demand was so high that it wasn't enough to refill three 1-million-gallon tanks in hilly Pacific Palisades that help pressurize hydrants for the neighborhood. Many went dry as at least 1,000 buildings were engulfed in flames.

同埋自己追POST啦,供水系統呢,就分好多段既,自己上網搵下啦,洛衫機依家打唔切水就係因為再前面既段落打唔切落去個3個大水箱到,而指出依3個大水箱出黎呢就係個位風櫃N展啦,只不過佢係唔知原來依3個大水箱都係靠PUMP打水上去

我呢,就係睇完洛杉磯派水同消防水既圖先上黎講既,我唔擺上黎啦,自己搵啦而張圖除左gravity tank之外,你估仲有咩?就係suction tank啦,咁suction tank連咩呢,就係Fire pump既pump house啦
2025-01-11 11:31:23
而家就係話基建太舊要upgrade,有晒proposal有晒budget但唔係拎黎搞基建,係拎左去用黎搞DEI,搞環保

我可以話比你知北美其實都唔係咁民主 市/洲政府要整野,班居民係無得say,話之你有錢定窮人
2025-01-11 11:39:37
唔係咁易
細地方一間屋去一間屋可能係一百幾十米
外國遠少少地方真係唔知會去到邊
仲有香港大部分坐樁你掘地同外國lowrise坐pad raft個d唔同
2025-01-11 11:55:29
而家講緊upgrade啲pump想問有咩難度?一換一
2025-01-11 12:09:08
條喉都要換
2025-01-11 12:11:14
北美地大先易換 唔似香港乜都行晒underground,啲utility lines密到七彩

都係果句,政府要整,無人阻到
2025-01-11 12:44:31
好,依家同你上堂,簡單講下洛杉磯既Water supply,聽書

我黎緊COPY落黎既野都會係從洛杉磯政府/美國公營機構去講,咁都係拎返洛杉磯個邊既

首先目前洛杉磯本身既水係點先,
LADWP is committed to providing a reliable, resilient and sustainable water supply for Los Angeles. Through local water initiatives like Operation NEXT, recycled water, stormwater capture, groundwater remediation and water conservation, LADWP is reducing dependence on imported purchased water and ensuring that our future water supply is strong for generations to come.

目前佢地都係想利用唔同來源既水做處理去減低對進口水既依賴,可想而知,進口水或者都幾貴

再講下State Water Project係咩黎,大家都知外國既山有高有低既,咁要點做呢,SWP既用意就係咁既

The State Water Project (SWP) includes 22 dams and reservoirs, a Delta pumping plant, and a 444-mile-long aqueduct that carries water from the Delta through the San Joaquin Valley to Southern California. The SWP begins at Oroville Dam on the Feather River and ends at Lake Perris near Riverside. At the Tehachapi Mountains, giant pumps lift the water from the California Aqueduct 2,000 feet over the mountains and into southern California.

[giant pumps lift the water from the California Aqueduct 2,000 feet over the mountains and into southern California.]
咁睇落洛杉磯都唔似係用念力供水既

然後我地再睇下個地理同埋供水系統由外到內再簡單講講

睇圖會見到D水係由上面流到落去加洲既,然後我地再睇睇點樣由外面係送到水過去呢

好啦,見到pumping plant既,咁人地供水就唔會好似賣老婆餅咁冇老婆既
然後再睇睇Edmondston Pumping Plant先

哇,唔講冇咩野,一講原來係世界級泵站,咁一定要比大家望望了


然後再睇埋Pearblossom Pumping Plant
Pearblossom Pumping Plant is located on the California Aqueduct, about 25 miles from the city of Lancaster and 12 miles east of the town of Palmdale. Constructed from 1967 to 1973, the plant lifts water about 540 feet to continue by gravity to Silverwood Lake.

Pearblossom Pumping Plant既用途就係用泵抽上去,然後先再用
gravity既方式流落去,依個係好合理既事黎,但係留意返,係落湖依段炸WO,唔好誤會左

然後再講埋最新既Water Infrastructure Plan(2024-2025)

咁好明顯啦,睇黎加洲自己都頂唔撚住啦,要加強D PUMP,咁依個PLAN既作用就係會加強現有相關設施,外圍城市既輸送能力,咁當然來水係外圍黎,加強外圍城市既泵站係好合理既

然後我地再睇睇城市入面係點啦

其實都幾撚多pump station既,我都相信鬼佬係唔識用念力上水既

今次講住咁多先,我要去玩了
2025-01-11 12:48:08
又唔係要燒哂 燒左有錢佬d屋比得
2025-01-11 12:56:30
我相信你地都唔洗繼續拗政府應唔應該要整基建設施,因為就本身有既

2025-01-11 12:58:02
要睇 city,越有錢越麻煩。

LA 消防局講過個 scale 太大,水係夠,但水壓唔夠,又咁啱撞正大風,救火直升機同飛機都 ground 哂唔可以起機救火。而且開頭範圍已經大,根本唔夠人救。講緊palisade 同 Eaton 兩條山火。

要追究就睇下點解出晒 alert 都冇做好預防
2025-01-11 13:11:55
拎晒啲錢去玩DEI,請埋啲鬼五馬六既彩虹人士咪咁 再加上環保撚係度阻頭阻勢

人手、基建雙輸,仲洗乜晒時間搵邊度出問題

大風係加速左呀,咪咁岩可以比班友用黎做擋箭牌
2025-01-11 13:45:35
多謝啦,你堂書拎去比其他人用啦
你上網copy左咁大段野
有無spec係講出到水既rate係幾多
條喉幾粗,有幾長,中途有幾多隻泵幫手加番壓,預行幾多pressure幾多rate
design assumption係預幾多人用,係用邊個時期既peak去做assumption
無既,只係一段background
類似講經
2025-01-11 13:59:56
唔需要,因為係你地自己話供水係靠gravity,我已經prove左供水係要用泵,咁已經好足夠,同埋依D唔係background,而係design

你都唔洗好似個位風櫃N展咁由講行政問題Spin到講個結果,然後Spin落水箱到,然後係到拗水箱係咪gravity,然後再偷換概念係到玩泥漿摔角,我已經解釋得好清楚LA既水係點黎,fire hydrant唔夠水既原因係基於咩,你地點樣死雞撐飯蓋都冇用重申一次,LA依場大火既問題就係出係個政府到,完
2025-01-11 14:05:07
去左Texas
2025-01-11 14:06:34
傻閪人地咪講撚左夏天落狗屎
你有水庫儲起佢冬天咪可以用囉

幾有用再講
而家係冇
2025-01-11 14:06:59
岩,你岩
2025-01-11 14:07:14
睇新聞話今年比正常少
2025-01-11 14:14:45
乜撚都右
𨳒你老母都戇鳩鳩
2025-01-11 14:50:59
咁你有咩見解 我唔同你講technical。

其實個plan就預計十年,而家搞完十年都未見到盡頭

唔好又話比居民投訴又剩,其實一早就已經開始左十年
咁呢十年搞左啲咩?

你無知就做下research,LADWP有晒capital 10year plan。年年有report比你睇進度
2025-01-11 15:32:16
如果一開始個plan就計錯數
或者根本場火大過晒以前個區既歷史火災規模既話
根本你做完個工程都唔會頂到
因為本身就無預過
2025-01-11 15:58:46
而家咪好囉,俾機會佢砍掉重練
2025-01-11 16:40:38
其實如果係淋山火area 嘅話,世界各國都有拎海水救火嘅慣例

Less evil

但城市就真係冇聽人用過,
真係淋咗海水就唔要得
2025-01-11 19:30:41
發覺你好鍾意自己講完自己俾正評自己
2025-01-11 19:32:51
你係咪自己成日咁做所以覺得人地都會咁做
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