[11月23號]美國大選新聞總匯

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2020-11-23 17:25:04
2020-11-23 17:26:16
2020-11-23 17:31:01
我諗你係講political correctness. Yeah, we'r all tired of such hypocrisy.
2020-11-23 17:33:03
根本世界各地有勁多人都含左好多年講多過做嘅政棍.
2020-11-23 17:39:39
apple always in line with new York times. 立場都冇立場。
2020-11-23 17:41:55
割蓆

割乜撚
2020-11-23 17:42:58
每日最期待樓主出帖
我都好驚訝日本人會咁出聲撐侵, 不過「唔關我事」嘅人都仲係佔多(嘆氣)
2020-11-23 17:44:10
2005: FBI swoops in

In 2005, a Detroit News review found Detroit ballots were cast by people registered to vote at abandoned or long-demolished buildings, the master vote list contained 380,000 incorrect or outdated names and "ambassadors" appointed by then-Clerk Jackie Currie hand-delivered ballots to senior centers.

While delivering ballots to senior centers wasn't unusual, Currie's ambassadors were accused of having helped fill out ballots for city residents diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease and dementia who could not name Detroit's mayor. Currie also employed friends and family with criminal histories.

The issue was serious enough to prompt an investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
FBI agents obtained a court order just before the polls closed in the November election preserving all of the about 50,000 absentee ballots and other records involving Currie's election ambassadors as part of a probe into possible Detroit voter fraud. An assistant U.S. attorney said the U.S. Justice Department was interested in allegations that dead people were voting and that balloting improprieties occurred at nursing homes.

Then Chief Wayne County Circuit Judge Mary Beth Kelly said she had already heard and seen ample "uncontested evidence" of voting irregularities in a lawsuit filed after the primary election by Maureen Taylor, a write-in City Council candidate and granted the request. Kelly previously had ordered state and Wayne County election officials to monitor the counting and handling of absentee ballots in the general election.

A Michigan Bureau of Elections worker testified that she saw an Detroit election ambassador coax a confused nursing home resident to complete an absentee ballot. Ambassador Gracie Allen asked twice, "Do you want to vote for Jackie?" and when the resident failed to respond, the election worker marked the ballot, according to the testimony.

The investigation did not end up changing the results of the city election, which saw the defeat of Currie by political unknown and elementary math teacher Winfrey and the re-election of controversial Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, who later was sentenced on unrelated public corruption charges.

Prominent Detroiters such as former Mayor Dennis Archer and Horace Sheffield III told The News at that time that it wasn't unusual to be contacted by people who offered to deliver ballots for a price.
Cockrel said she hadn't been approached with that pitch exactly, but said “there were names always floating around who had access into senior homes who could make sure people knew you were on the ballot.”

Bowens argued the pitch likely was from individuals who specialize in helping voters in hard-to-reach communities, such as nursing homes, hospitals, jails and even homeless shelters.

呢段大意講FBI介入當年選舉(2005)舞弊調查
1. 有指控話有選民登記地方係已廢棄或已拆房屋
2. 有38萬選票資料未更新或虛報, 更有老人痴呆選民連當時州長都唔知邊個
3. FBI當時取得法庭手令查5萬張可疑選票,當中包括死人或者老人院院友
4. 當地巡迴法院認為證據不足,唔存在舞弊
5. 有票站職員作證, 見到有人帶住一班神智不清老人去投票, 多次問佢係咪想投阿Jackie
6. 有當地名人道出底特律賄選問題嚴重,選票有價,而且幾難搵嘅票源都有,且操作手法專業,來自老人院、醫院、監獄同埋露宿者之家
2020-11-23 17:45:10
2020-11-23 17:51:54
打份工啫。冇靈魂。
2020-11-23 18:02:24
即係根本hea查無理過. 每次都過下場就算不了了之.
2020-11-23 18:03:04
美國大選嘅tag可以多過鬼滅 其實係好唔容易嘅事嚟架.....
2020-11-23 18:06:58
班BLM仲等緊Biden到時掉轉槍頭仲好笑
2020-11-23 18:15:21
Issues arise in 2013

Winfrey was credited with making strides in clearing the city's voter rolls after she took office in 2006, but the August 2013 mayoral primary election resulted in problems.

Michigan election officials were forced to intervene when the Wayne County Board of Canvassers didn't certify the mayoral primary results after the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett decided against counting at least 18,000 write-in votes because of the way they were tallied.

Write-in candidate and former Detroit Medical Center CEO Mike Duggan had 46% of the vote to Wayne County Sheriff Benny Napoleon's 29% under Winfrey's unofficial count, while Napoleon had 41% to Duggan's 34% under the tally of Garrett, who disqualified thousands of write-in votes.

Duggan vaulted from second to first in the primary after state officials restored thousands of write-in votes, giving him momentum that eventually resulted in his election as mayor in the fall.

During their review of Detroit ballots, state election staffers found no seals on two voter precinct containers and one absentee ballot precinct container. There were no ballots in one container, and another 300 absentee ballots were found after the election that weren't counted.

Michigan elections director Chris Thomas said at the time there were more discrepancies found in the tallying of votes in Detroit than he expected.

呢段同今年大選似曾相識
1. 2013底特律市長選舉有委員發現點票過程有可疑拒絕確認, 要州政府選舉辦公室介入

2. 有票箱未封好,點完票發現有幾百張選票未點
2020-11-23 18:15:50
所以你睇到底特律個deep state同費城好似
2020-11-23 18:17:11
費城甚至係成個賓州出晒名係選舉舞弊之都嚟
2020-11-23 18:21:58
呀我諗返起選舉舞弊醜聞爆出嗰陣. 見到有個底特律嘅住民話 : 點解我見到呢堆嘢一啲都唔surprise
2020-11-23 18:22:32
有人將費城舞弊史寫埋書添 然後啲媒體話no election fruad真係笑叉死我
2020-11-23 18:23:59
就咁睇同NYT, CNN, 路透尤其, 應該呢三間MSM簽左content deal.
2020-11-23 18:26:07
我又唔想下下話蘋果入面有鬼. 但起碼係懶. digital化之後佢地其實出稿趕得好緊要. 基本上無乜時間做好資料搜集就隊出街. 所以用外電料係最方便

利申: 多年同報業打交道
2020-11-23 18:29:35
Auditing 'worst of the worst'

Three years later in 2016, election officials were unable to reconcile vote totals for 59% of precincts in Detroit during a countywide canvass of vote results. In 37% of precincts, Detroit tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books, according to the Wayne County Board of Canvassers.
The mismatched totals meant that those precincts couldn't be included in a recount.


Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein sought a recount in Michigan, where Republican businessman Donald Trump defeated Democrat Hillary Clinton initially by more than 13,000 votes and eventually by 10,704 votes in the certified results. A recount was started statewide but eventually was halted and invalidated after judges ruled Stein was ineligible because she had no mathematical shot at winning.

The voting mismatches in Detroit prompted the Michigan Elections Bureau to audit 136 of the city’s most irregular precincts — what it called "the worst of the worst." The state found "an abundance of human errors" but "no evidence of pervasive voter fraud."
The votes in more than half of the precincts couldn't be balanced. An extensive review discovered 216 questionable votes that produced a net over-vote of 40 ballots.

Secretary of State Ruth Johnson, a Republican, ordered state elections officials to assist city election officials in making changes to poll worker training and recruitment efforts.
Winfrey predicted the audit would vindicate her but offered no public comment after its release. "We can't have that happen again," Duggan said at the time, adding that "Everybody in the city knows it was terrible."

The audit motivated several challengers against Winfrey in 2017.
Former Detroit NAACP executive director Heaster Wheeler, who now is assistant secretary of state under Benson, said Detroit needed recruiting, training and staffing improvements. The city needed "to do some things radically different," said Wheeler, who ran for city clerk in 2017 but didn't advance to the general election.

"People have to believe that their vote is going to be counted and that's my commitment, to ensure that every vote counts," he said.
Gilchrist was also pointed at the time in his criticism of Winfrey. "I don't think it should have taken the state of Michigan to tell the city clerk to serve the voters better," he said then.

After the 2016 election, some of the blame was pointed at volunteers who were older and slower, an attitude that doesn't help when recruiting more people to work at the polls, Bowens said.
"The clerk's job at some points is about inspiring an entire voting population," he said.

去到2016大選
1. 底特律有37%選區收到選票多於註冊選民數量
2. Trump 喺MI以些微票數贏希婆, 先係1.3萬, 重點後10,704票, 有第三候選人要求重點,但過左一段時間法庭拒絕有關要求,因為話呢個候選人冇勝算
3. 有人指責底特律票站人員老眼昏花, 數錯票

2020-11-23 18:29:36
高質post,一定要推。
以及感謝樓主。
2020-11-23 18:31:07
呢篇野我唔想譯最尾一段, 因為已經夠晒料
證明底特律個情況已經失控

班左媒仲扮睇唔到
2020-11-23 18:36:17
2020-11-23 18:37:06
根本就屆屆都有. 只係侵揭哂出嚟
美國行honest system 佢地嘅制度就係向人係誠實嘅前題之下制定 所以咪成件事好拿鬆散 有心人要偷雞根本勁容易
諗返有個美國街頭訪問. 話2016年佢地可以選到侵真係神跡嚟. 諗返的確係. 係Hilary覺得自己贏硬輕敵. 先令佢地疏於防範. 畀侵選中
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