英國最新疫苗對Omicron重症死亡數據 (2)

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2022-02-08 00:03:43
Le Tissier 已經比人屌到上天花板啦仲咁厚面皮拎佢出黎講

"在他的職業生涯中,他不記得有過任何一場比賽是因為觀眾席上的緊急醫療事故而停止"
同連登仔一樣, 隔離屋個乜乜乜中左招都無事啦
2022-02-08 00:06:30
12 點

五毛要收工

我幫緊你地 我地發現咗呢樣嘢 你地要同老細講 PR公司要補水啦

廿四小時運作先得嘛

24小時都見到你kai龍(苗撚) 幾咁專心一個議題

點似得我呢D

朱易滑冰衰咗 我又開哂開檳 黑狗想搞洋妞 我又屌埋一分 我興趣多元化 唔似得某D打手 只係做死一個job
2022-02-08 00:07:48
睇你有幾右
點justify消耗自己時間去跟交通規則?
點justify用自己勞力換取嘅金錢去交稅?
2022-02-08 00:09:38
該調查發現職業足球運動員因心血管問題而死亡的人數每三個月翻一番,2021年12月發生的死亡人數相當於過去12年的年平均數

條數佢作出黎架?定係班球員食左過期豆腐花呀?
冇話一定關疫苗事呀,不過又肯定唔關事咩?
2022-02-08 00:12:02
MSM 所以係deep state

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fans-medical-emergeny-stadiums-fulham-b2004017.html

This is a new and frightening development. There must be a reason for it. The pertinent question is straightforward: what is different now that would explain this unnerving spate of emergencies. There is a seemingly obvious answer: the pandemic. Anti-vaccination conspiracy theorists took to social media on Saturday evening to give their take on what is happening. “This is not normal,” tweeted one. “Stop thinking it is normal.”

In one sense that statement is correct. This is a new phenomenon. The apocalyptic overtones are risible, though. Anyone who has attended football regularly for any length of time knows that people die at matches. It’s just that in the past the game continued on, oblivious to their fate.

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The stewards alerted St John Ambulance medics and they tried to revive him for 20 minutes while the action continued on the pitch. The vast majority of those in attendance were unaware anything was happening.

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And no wonder there is the occasional death or health scare. Lots of people go to football matches. On Saturday alone, in the region of 300,000 attended EFL games. That figure more than doubles when the Premier League is active. There are bound to be individuals within that number who get sick or even die in stadiums. The big difference now is that priorities have changed. The health of those who have fallen ill has become the priority over the continuation of the action.

Of course, football’s status as one of the biggest expressions of British culture makes it particularly vulnerable to those who seek political capital. Christian Eriksen’s collapse at the Euros was seized upon by some as proof that the vaccine was causing a spike in premature deaths of professional athletes. Fifa studies conducted and completed before the pandemic indicate that this is not the case. Evidence rarely stops scare stories, though.

People will continue to die of natural causes at matches. At rugby and cricket, too. Anywhere crowds gather in large numbers means that there is a possibility that someone will become ill. This is unavoidable. There were four stoppages on Saturday. Regrettably, one person died. Another was hospitalised. The other two had happier endings. Four games out of 32 EFL fixtures looks like a frightening percentage. One fatality in about 300,000 spectators – as regrettable as it is – paints a less terrifying picture.
2022-02-08 00:13:38
補咗水啦
2022-02-08 00:15:25
可唔可以示範下左派會點justify要獻出身體
2022-02-08 00:21:30
搞到我查左勁耐間The expose係乜來頭
2022-02-08 00:43:21
路過一問,點睇好多人打完話有事但官方連佢地既case記錄都唔記錄拎去作為sample去做副作用study,反而即時斷定係同疫苗冇因果關係?

唔係起碼應該將呢d case記錄低,再同冇打針既control比較先出到結論?
2022-02-08 01:00:00
咁你守唔守交通規則?
每日等1分鐘紅綠燈,一年就用6個鐘,80年人就用咗20日。
點justify用一生人20日喺等紅綠燈上?

我覺得係每人都肯去奉獻呢20日,社會會run得smooth啲,少啲交通意外嘅成本,從而慳返更多時間。

我覺得打唔打針係個人選擇,但係如果因為個人意願唔打針而入院嘅,就自己睇返醫院條數。
2022-02-08 01:02:23
呢個只係香港做法
英國會紀錄晒同有report
2022-02-08 01:09:45
死者是否全部心在英國,身在中國的大陸人?
2022-02-08 01:14:47
其實係我鬼打牆定點
我由頭到尾都唔係講緊話有呢個risk唔係咬定緊兩者係必然嘅因果關係
但本身adverse event就唔係必然睇因果而係睇個risk
同埋篇review都係review一啲case report同歷年知識suggest一個possible mechanism
每樣野都有個progress依家只係一開始個prevalence study同case report
點樣去prove個mechanism就係好多人依家做緊嘅野
even係你所講moderna嘅血栓都冇prove到mechanistic嘅causality只係統計上見到個risk係significantly高咗
有人話係antiPF4有prelim又話唔bind anti PF4 又25-50%多咗anti pf4 有啲又冇咁係咪冇完整prove到因果又唔係副作用
再者要睇因果嘅話心肌炎就唔止係副作用就直情變埋醫療事故
你講話
randomized controlled study睇vaccince induce autoimmune disease根本冇可能因為本身已經由genetic predisposition呢個factor你點randomized
2022-02-08 02:28:42
上面推論似乎都係返返去自利原則: 大家付出時間守交通規則 -->每日人turns out都獲得更多時間。整體上對自身明顯係profit.

但獻出身體換公共系統就未見得係clear cut既profit. 我付出既係打疫苗各種可能既副作用,換取我使用機率unknown既醫療系統既正常運作。條數唔係clear cut profit
2022-02-08 02:57:24
全球咁多人打咗,你又唔信個統計,又話人陰謀,又話隱瞞

你唔信呢一套,咁就應該自己付返個代價,自己畀返住院醫療費,合唔合理?
2022-02-08 03:07:12
我有講陰謀


anyway, 我只係想知點樣可以justify到人有責任要為醫療系統唔崩潰而獻出身體,但我睇唔出同自己比唔比醫療費有咩關係。
2022-02-08 03:10:16
喂大佬佢做緊review唔係provide evidence梗係戴翻頭盔㗎啦因為佢有頭都尾都唔係做緊statistical analysis
佢地要做嘅話其實都係一樣compare翻個population incidence就得
另外啲data佢唔係第一手咁肯定要落翻disclaimer講翻個limitation係啲data integrity㗎啦
你始終又去翻起點就係你query緊佢未prove到個causality所以就唔係一個risk?
咁講嘅話bell's palsy都可以收皮
你個randomized controlled trial setting考試可能攞到分
現實嘅話先唔講你要係堆未發病嘅人入面搵夠genetic predisposition嘅participant嘅難度
你呢個setting唔會過到clinical trial個board
你諗下有條友同你講你係有濕疹風險嘅人
依家佢幫你打啲stimuli想研究下濕疹嘅pathogenesis你會唔會理佢
啫係依家hku如果同你講招人幫手打bnt 一邊IV 一邊IM 睇下係咪真係IV injection導致心肌炎
你會唔會去參加
2022-02-08 06:23:40
當我講錯你係陰謀論,對唔住


你就可能係99.35%唔死,但中招率高過打針,傳播率又高過打針
如果你中咗,比起打咗針,你會更易令到多咗人感染。omicron 個r rate 係3,即係你會喺好返之前冶到3個人。香港就係唔出街,住宅都會上下傳播。如果高接中率可以整體減少社會上中招,中招而死同間接因為醫療系統崩潰而死嘅人,點解唔係整體上有profit?
令到醫療系統崩潰,都只係畀返醫藥住院費,咁已經算好底
2022-02-08 09:42:58
上面所講係推論出社會整體profit多左。但點解個人有責任為社會整體profit增加而奉獻身體?
2022-02-08 10:01:49
即使同各種防疫限制帶來既不便比較,獻出身體都唔明顯係clear cut profit, 你見咁多人到而家都唔肯打就知。

再講,好多防疫限制既正當性未見得站得住腳
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