MBTI討論區

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2018-08-01 02:14:28
聽撚住啦, 撚樣幻想狗

唔係我對MBTI 既認知, 係學者做撚完RESEARCH 出既認知呀, 知你冇撚睇資料, 你字都唔撚識打, 思考又有問題, 我PO 多次比你隻狗當可憐你

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Pittenger/publication/232494957_Cautionary_comments_regarding_the_Myers-Briggs_Type_Indicator/links/02bfe50cb18c2dbfd4000000/Cautionary-comments-regarding-the-Myers-Briggs-Type-Indicator.pdf?origin=publication_detail


Howes and Carskadon (1979) provided data that raise additional and equally important
questions regarding the reliability of the four-letter type score. Their analysis indicated that a large portion of their participants received different type profiles when retested.
Not surprisingly, the greatest proportion of changes occurred when the initial preference score was close to the middle of the scale (1 to 15 points on either side of the midpoint). When the initial score was within this intermediate range, 32% of the EI, 25% of the SN, 29% of the TF, and 30% of the JP labels shifted on the second testing.
McCarley and Carskadon (1983) replicated these findings and demonstrated that across a 5-week test-retest interval, 50% of the participants received a different classification on one or more of the scales. Indeed, Myers et al. (1998) reported that 35% of individuals had a different four-letter type score after a 4-week interval.

These results are not surprising given the center-heavy distribution and heterogeneity of variance of the scale scores. Nor are these changes trivial. If we are to presume that “an extraverted sensing type will show extraversion differently from an extraverted thinking type” (McCaulley, 2000), then the alteration of one or more of the four-letter type formula represents a considerable change in personality. These data also raise profound questions regarding the advisability of using the four-letter typing system, while ignoring the magnitude of the scale scores, and raise questions regarding the veracity of any type interpretations for individuals with scale scores close to the midpoint of the scale.


呢D 叫EVIDENCE 呀, 撚樣! 學野啦! 幻想狗!
2018-08-01 02:15:43
我見到你好開心, 你好!

There are several reports of the testretest
reliabilities of the four dimensions of
the MBTI (Carskadon, 1977, 1979b;
Howes & Carskadon, 1979; Stricker &
Ross, 1962). These reports offer a consistent
pattern that suggests that the reliability
of the MBTI does not meet expectations
derived from its theory. For example,
Sticker and Ross found that across a 14-
month period the reliabilities ranged from a
low of r(38)  .48 for the TF scale to a
high of r(38)  .73 for the EI scale


呢個STAT 你會點睇?
2018-08-01 02:16:52
其實好早就討論完, 本身我已經PROVIDE 左大把有STATS 既EVIDENCE, 係得一條友唔識唔學仲想屌我QUOTE RESEARCH 既智識渣
2018-08-01 02:17:30
我同你睇法一樣
2018-08-01 02:18:35
請問有完整版嗎?
2018-08-01 02:19:40
另外有一個問題係,究竟工作既性質會唔會影響到結果?
我宜家做緊既工作經驗係有關analytics方面,結果測出黎就係intp-a(但主觀上覺得唔太significant,都係大概五十幾到六十幾左右)。而做咗樓上巴打俾既個份test ,個結果d描述又好似intp-a。
2018-08-01 02:20:07
主要唔係講佢個TYPE 既講解

主要只係講佢好大機會不停轉TYPE, 做左等於冇做渣MA

我都只係講事實, BIG 5係呢個一方面唔會有咁大問題係因為中間既人唔會因為+1 /-1 而完全唔同左性格.

基本LOGIC 姐, 好似好難明咁.
2018-08-01 02:20:49
樓上各位ching嘈黎嘈去做乜9
d性格測試都係拎黎參考啫
以下係有少少數/stat撚既個人見解:
我認為每個人既性格都係一支支vector,d性格測試只係希望令到d vector可以measure到,各自就創造咗唔同既factor/scale去測量。然後再用clustering既方法嘗試去搵到一類類性格相似既人.啱同唔啱就見人見智,畢竟好多時候所謂一同一類人都係以同一類人既性格係正態分佈(normal distribution)去assume。實質上,無人知道佢地係唔係真係咁。
我見到你好開心, 你好!

There are several reports of the testretest
reliabilities of the four dimensions of
the MBTI (Carskadon, 1977, 1979b;
Howes & Carskadon, 1979; Stricker &
Ross, 1962). These reports offer a consistent
pattern that suggests that the reliability
of the MBTI does not meet expectations
derived from its theory. For example,
Sticker and Ross found that across a 14-
month period the reliabilities ranged from a
low of r(38)  .48 for the TF scale to a
high of r(38)  .73 for the EI scale


呢個STAT 你會點睇?
請問有完整版嗎?

其實我上面PO 左幾次, 頭先我回個偽INTP 果陣斬有PO 多次條LINK
2018-08-01 02:22:00

以為咩事

以來你來自90年代
2018-08-01 02:23:11
其實係有可能有影響. 所以做呢D TEST 要諗得好清楚. 但如果你係做16-PERSONALITY 果個,果個其實唔太準.

而BIG 5 既,如果你用收錢果D SERVICE 會比一個好DETAIL 既REPORT 你.
2018-08-01 02:24:43
拿, 有眼睇啦, disregard solid research effort. disregard facts. disregard logic.

雷神雷利, 你認為你似唔似咁既人呀, 佢同你一樣INTP (佢講)
2018-08-01 02:26:51
簡單d解答下你

Mbti四個維度
由於呢家係簡化既一刀切
所以當咁啱既性格係踩左界
咁咪會一時s一時n囉

不嬲人類都有起伏傢啦
你確定你做ocean 10年後or1個月後會一模一樣?
唔好笑死人啦
2018-08-01 02:32:43
之前我都做過prism個test同埋美國勞工處個RIASEC test。但係見到個d分數個standard deviation大得好離譜, 2 sigma error就已經包括咗大部分range,即刻覺得好唔可信。係上面哩d test我地有無可能知道個sd係幾多?
2018-08-01 02:35:13
真係智力低就智力低, 理解唔撚到點講都唔會理解到

幻想狗仔, 聽撚多次啦

BIG 5係可以有唔同, 但唔撚會成個人唔撚同左

一個人如果係MBTI 係中間, 好撚易因為+1/-1 而完全變撚左第二個人

呢個就係MBTI 既TEST-RETEST RELIABILITY 既問題.

我都唔撚洗同你D 乜都唔撚識既垃圾講咩深入野. 呢一個POINT 已經完勝MBTI 啦 屌你老母.

比撚埋個EXAMPLE 你

有條撚樣, 係一隻狗, 佢第一次TEST 係INTP

但因為佢本身個TI 同TE 只係差一兩點, 第2次TEST 變撚左TE USER, 姐係點? 姐係由內向變撚左外向呀

用下你個西腦啦, 撚樣
2018-08-01 02:35:56
都話 mbti完成可以分成高n低n 中間 低s高s
但咁分你數下有幾多type?
成個性格解釋模型你黎重建?
百9幾種人
講大眾化?

所以mbti由一開始就係為左簡化而失去左精度
呢d根本係無可避免

你就呢點引申到冇可信

intp既性格分析係指緊中度至重度既intp
你拎住極為踩界既intp結果
肯撚定唔準傢啦

你要準
自己根據自己分數去判斷咪得囉

以上呢堆根本基本野
有少少理解mbti既人都會明

可惜你係不求甚解,盲信權威既s型人
2018-08-01 02:40:24
MBTI 冇一樣野叫FUNCTION TEST, 我幾年前仲自己STUDY 緊MBTI 果陣做過.

你會見到你係8個FUNCTION 既高低, 之後你就會見到個問題

EXAMPLE

你INTP

TI 80

TE 70

NE 70

NI 40

SE 20

SI 20

FI 30

FE 10.


咁拿, 你望到個問題啦, INTP 就係TI/NE/SI/FE

但你TE 一樣高, NI 又唔係低, 通常T TYPE 都係F 比較低, 所以最後你既決定就要睇你自己"認為" 邊樣FIT 你多D. 咁但係如果你當自己係INTP, 你個TE 會唔撚見左, 變左SHADOW FUNCTION.

你話幾痴線
2018-08-01 02:41:08
另外有一個問題係,究竟工作既性質會唔會影響到結果?
我宜家做緊既工作經驗係有關analytics方面,結果測出黎就係intp-a(但主觀上覺得唔太significant,都係大概五十幾到六十幾左右)。而做咗樓上巴打俾既個份test ,個結果d描述又好似intp-a。
其實係有可能有影響. 所以做呢D TEST 要諗得好清楚. 但如果你係做16-PERSONALITY 果個,果個其實唔太準.

而BIG 5 既,如果你用收錢果D SERVICE 會比一個好DETAIL 既REPORT 你.
之前我都做過prism個test同埋美國勞工處個RIASEC test。但係見到個d分數個standard deviation大得好離譜, 2 sigma error就已經包括咗大部分range,即刻覺得好唔可信。係上面哩d test我地有無可能知道個sd係幾多?
MBTI 一樣野叫FUNCTION TEST, 我幾年前仲自己STUDY 緊MBTI 果陣做過.

你會見到你係8個FUNCTION 既高低, 之後你就會見到個問題

EXAMPLE

你INTP

TI 80

TE 70

NE 70

NI 40

SE 20

SI 20

FI 30

FE 10.


咁拿, 你望到個問題啦, INTP 就係TI/NE/SI/FE

但你TE 一樣高, NI 又唔係低, 通常T TYPE 都係F 比較低, 所以最後你既決定就要睇你自己"認為" 邊樣FIT 你多D. 咁但係如果你當自己係INTP, 你個TE 會唔撚見左, 變左SHADOW FUNCTION.

你話幾痴線
2018-08-01 02:41:56
mbti個人既睇法係用緊linear discriminant analysis去classify d結果。如果有sd,其實我地可以搵翻係黎個結果有幾多可信性而唔係好似宜家咁劃分低中高 ...
2018-08-01 02:42:42
即係你覺得IE維度-1同+1係mbti分析黎講係變左2個人
咁我只能夠講你真係on 撚99
蠢到無解. 完全唔識思考
好撚慘。好撚豬
2018-08-01 02:45:02
龜龜西利
2018-08-01 02:48:01
我比個EXAMPLE 你



拿, 咁你叫人點樣去估自己係邊樣. BTW 3樣都錯, 最接近果樣佢冇LIST 到
2018-08-01 02:48:39
我已分唔到真心定假膠
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