TSMC美國廠終於封頂

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2024-02-25 14:02:44
TSMC咁撚多錢,你驚佢會輸清咩

根本佢自己都知行唔通,咪當交少少陀地俾美國囉

起左廠都搞唔掂,美國就冇聲出啦
2024-02-25 14:09:26
唔驚佢輸清

不過睇住佢日本度辛苦賺埋,轉個頭要浪費響美國啲官僚嘢度,On9得嚟又無得揀,
仲要唔止啲官係官僚,連工會都係官僚。
2024-02-25 14:15:30

2010之後就係咁嘅死樣

由差唔多700升到900幾,過咗2020之後TSMC直頭破咗千
2024-02-25 14:21:24
你住開啲第三國家梗係唔撚識啦
你估某個國家咁樣,求其俾下錢就可以開工啊
定係求其講句日夜都繽紛,就馬照跑舞照跳


美國個法例不嬲都係咁嚴,
要先入Plan Check,
改啱晒先可以拎Construction Permit,
開工嗰陣又會派Inspector 去睇最少兩次
唔跟圖起要重新執過
你個Fab 廠係跟Clean Room 咁做
政府又會派人去睇TAB

根本美國法例同歐洲一樣咁嚴
玩工業安全仲嚴過歐洲
一出事就賠錢
同日本或者亞洲地區根本差天共地
你唔識又衝出嚟柒
2024-02-25 14:22:07
呢啲錢一定要洗既,就係美國廠投資咁多都失敗,先顯示到保住台灣係幾咁重要
2024-02-25 14:22:16
其實得出呢個結果有幾個可能性

美國ger管理不善,或者設計團隊啲人爭啲(由初期水管規劃錯誤看出)
上面巴打話齋,拒絕唔到,所以用行政手段故意想拖死件事
你講嘅官僚,工會問題

有咁多可能性,
我會覺得你一口咬定係關工會事關官僚事,
係有啲帶著過分成見
2024-02-25 14:25:20
因為連經濟學人都係咁講

內文我唔知你有冇Account
但副標題已經寫撚埋
TSMC is having more luck building in Japan than in America
Truculent workers and red tape have slowed its efforts in Arizona
https://www.economist.com/business/2024/02/22/tsmc-is-having-more-luck-building-in-japan-than-in-america
2024-02-25 14:27:47
咁呢兩個的確係表面上原因

另外兩個原因直接寫,可以俾人告
特別係第二個原因
2024-02-25 14:28:53
咁點解歐洲仲Keep到700日以下完到工
而零零舍舍得你美國一個節節上升?

歐洲係咪好似亞洲日本咁亂嚟??
2024-02-25 14:29:51
錯,無美國人願意24小時standby,唔係就成件事搞到極貴
2024-02-25 14:31:23
其他配料你估支那做到出黎?
2024-02-25 14:32:25
同埋呢
美國2010前係正常㗎

唔知點解2010之後先爆升
咁係2010立咗好多新法新Regulation丫
定係其他原因呢?

但依家唔係TSMC受緊喎,係美國所有Fab都係咁喎。
零零舍舍得美國一個有問題,真係唔駛驚影響競爭力?
2024-02-25 14:32:47
其實台積電個種爆肝模式歐美無得複制
2024-02-25 14:33:00
如果有咁嘅需要,開個24小時standby Job post咪得
nasa 同核電廠,仲有城市基礎設施都係24小時有人standby架啦

根本起錯水管已經反映出個管理or設計團隊可能有啲問題啦
2024-02-25 14:33:54
做唔到,但佢地走私得到。

H100響中國都仲買到,班仆街有咩做唔出。
2024-02-25 14:34:00
係成個department 24小時
2024-02-25 14:36:25
所以咪強迫你起喺尾國偷你技術
2024-02-25 14:36:42
因為歐洲冇集體訴訟囉,柒頭
人命唔值錢咪可以係咁起
你唔跟OSHA,班地盤佬已經可以夾埋告你
如果斷腳嘅話,最少一人陪2球美金

唔識就縮埋一邊啦
2024-02-25 14:38:31
咁咪開出咁嘅Job posting
nasa 核電廠都有department 24小時mon住
2024-02-25 14:39:27
咁你話不嬲都係咁

咁做乜2010之後先係咁升呢??
2010前美國都係Below 700喎

美國集體訴訟唔通2010之後先有?????
2024-02-25 14:43:50
講緊唔係一兩個
係成間廠24小時
2024-02-25 14:45:18
台積電其實係血汗工廠
基本唔駛諗work life balance
2024-02-25 14:46:37
經濟學人原文,都有提工會問題

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On the Japanese island of Kyushu, the fruits of the country’s industrial policy are about to go on show. On February 24th tsmc, the world’s most advanced chip producer, will open its first fabrication plant in the country. Earlier this month it announced plans for a second plant nearby.Contrast that with the Taiwanese giant’s other big international expansion, in America. Last summer it pushed back the start of production at the first of two plants it is building in Arizona from 2024 to 2025. In January it announced that a second plant, previously scheduled to open in 2026, would not be operational until 2027 or 2028. The second was meant to produce three-nanometre (nm) chips, the most advanced currently on the market, but tsmc has raised the prospect that it may now be used for less cutting-edge production.

Both the Japanese and American governments are eager to expand domestic production of chips, and are seeking the help of foreign firms. So what explains the contrast between celebrations in Kumamoto and headaches in Arizona? The first point of divergence is in labour relations. A protracted spat with the Arizona Building and Construction Trades Council, an association of labour unions, over the use of Taiwanese workers to build the plants was finally resolved in December with a promise by tsmc to hire and train local workers. Union activism is comparatively rare in Japan: the country typically loses fewer than 10,000 days of workers’ labour each year to stoppages, compared with more than a million in America.Helpful local partners are the second reason why tsmc’s experience in Japan has been smoother.

Denso, a Japanese maker of car parts, and the chipmaking arm of Sony, an electronics giant, both took minority stakes in tsmc’s subsidiary in Japan. Earlier this month Toyota, a carmaker, invested in the venture, too. Those companies have plenty of experience pulling off big projects in their country. Helpfully, they are also the primary customers for the chips the plants will build, notes Lim Tai Wei, a researcher at the East Asian Institute of the National University of Singapore. In contrast, the Taiwanese firm is going it alone in Arizona, its first large project in America since the 1990s.
2024-02-25 14:47:07
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