《奇異女俠玩轉宇宙》真係好撚悶，但我真係好鍾意。

主要想呼應呢個正 Post：
https://lihkg.com/thread/3331817/page/1

話悶嘅，講得好啱
話好睇嘅，都有道理
我自己就覺得前半部非常悶，但後半超勁，勁在佢帶比你思想上嘅震撼，突然發現：「原來導演一直係講緊呢樣嘢」。 由於後半太勁，前半嘅悶都顯得無乜所謂。

原Post有巴打提起腸仔同石頭，呢嗰係我嘅睇法。 可能係藍色窗簾，可能係導演想講嘅嘢。
利申： 唔係讀哲學，歡迎指正。

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腸仔同石頭一出場係超 on9
我直頭屌出聲
但其實呢兩樣嘢係套戲最重要嘅元素
亦係導演嘅功力所在:
eeaao 係講存在主義同虛無主義嘅搏鬥

存在主義 vs 虛無主義
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存在主義認為「存在先於本質」
任何人同你講 「人生一定要追求X」 都係on9，無論X係乜，
包括任何道德或價值觀。
只有你自己同自己講「我嘅人生就係要X」，先有意義。
但存在主義有一個 Bug，就係無論每個人心裏面嘅X係乜，
最終結論都指向同一樣嘢：
由於一切存在皆會滅亡，故此X係乜最終都係無意義
所以存在主義直接推論落去，就會產生虛無主義

虛無主義認為： 既然任何X都係無意義，咁生存都係無意義。
一定程度上： 存在主義孕育出虛無主義,
而唔難想象虛無主義帶有強烈嘅自毀傾向。


eeaao
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Evelyn 當年同老公私奔而被父母拋棄
家庭同洗衣店構成佢人生嘅全部
因此，就算生活瑣碎而毫無意義
佢無諗過放棄或改變
「洗衣店 + 家庭」 就係Evelyn人生嘅追求，
係佢心中嘅 X
佢無諗過自己都可以係大明星，演唱家，廚師。
當然，大明星嘅Evelyn都一定無諗過自己開洗衣店


Jobu 係經歷過無數個宇宙嘅 verse-jumper，
所有可能嘅人生佢都經歷過。
佢總結咗一個真理： 存在係無意義。
佢比喻自己嘅人生係一個 "Everything Donut"： 乜嘢都有，
但最核心嘅部分得個窿，即係乜野都無。
Donut象徵存在嘅湮滅，
電影裏面係Jobu毀滅宇宙嘅工具


尼采 vs 叔本華
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虛無主義代表人物叔本華講過：
「生命是一團慾望，不能滿足便痛苦，滿足便無聊」

尼采唔係好buy，反駁：「人若被悲觀主義俘虜，
終日自困於虛無，如何活下去？人類豈非要滅亡？」
尼采日後提出「超人説」，
為「信仰崩潰，價值真空，奮鬥皆徒然，人生皆虛無」提供出路。
簡單講就係：
無錯，人生終將毫無意義，
但呢個只係邏輯推理嘅結果，
但喺情感嘅層面，人可以自由賦予人生任何意義，
並且用「超人」嘅意志去鏟除一切障礙。

總之，存在主義粉碎宗教對心靈嘅支配，
雖然無可避免帶出虛無及悲觀主義，
但自由嘅心靈可以隨時對「存在」重新賦予意義，
並且努力將之實現。 所以，存在主義以心靈嘅自由為起點，
又以心靈嘅自由為終點，再透過「意志」去克服過程中嘅困難及痛苦。


腸仔 and 石頭
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腸仔直接呼應尼采嘅超人說。
Evelyn最後講： 「
任何宇宙皆有意義，
就算喺一個無手指嘅宇宙中，
人都可以用腳去彈琴，
用腳去撫摸所愛之人」
亦即係尼采所講：
「自由嘅心靈可以隨時賦予人生不同嘅意義，
並且用「超人」嘅意志去實現。」

石頭係用嚟比喻虛無主義，
石頭女兒思考咗一萬年，
得出一個結論： 「人皆愚蠢，人生皆無聊」
佢同石頭阿媽講：「我哋望咗呢度咁耐，
如果你睇到啲我睇唔到嘅風景，
記得話我聽， 等我知道呢個世界，
仲有其他可能性」

石頭女兒最終選擇跳崖自毀，
象徵虛無主義粉碎一切對人生嘅想象，
認同 「奮鬥皆徒然，人生皆虛無」
但呢度有個神來之筆，
就係石頭媽媽隨即跳埋落去，
亦係直接呼應尼采嘅超人說：
「用意志去克服一切障礙，實現你人生嘅意義」

OK，我就係想知用咩角度先欣賞到齣戲

巴打你冇藍色窗簾，呢樣真係導演想講嘅嘢。根據呢篇訪問Daniel Kwan自己就係經歷咗一次「上帝已死」之後嘗試做「超人」所以先諗得到呢個劇本。

喺隔籬po cop返過嚟：

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/23021092/everything-everywhere-interview-daniel-kwan-daniel-scheinert-daniels

There’s a major theme running through your work, especially here and in Swiss Army Man, about how the way we connect to each other is what makes life worth living. It’s a very humanistic philosophy, even a sentimental one. Where does that idea stem from for you?

DK: It’s a strong signal coming from my brain. Because I was very religious growing up. I was almost basically evangelical Christian until I was in my 20s. And then slowly, slowly, and then all of a sudden, it was gone. And that’s kind of what this movie was trying to re-create. That moment when Evelyn is screaming, and she’s feeling everything, and she’s completely unmoored and lost, that is the experience of losing God. That’s the experience of not having a moral center, and not having a focus of meaning, of purpose. The second half of the movie is basically her trying to do what I did, which is crawl around in the dark and the chaos, finding something worth living for, finding something worth fighting for. Obviously in the movie, she finds that through her husband, but yeah, it’s all in there because of me. [Looks at Daniel Scheinert] Well, partially because of me. I’m sure you have some—

DS: [Very straight-faced] No. I’m just a well-adjusted, normal person who’s not cynical or nihilistic at all. [Laughs]

我覺得套戲係引導觀眾去拷問自己：「知唔知自己每日做緊乜」。
唔知點解，人大咗，一諗起呢個問題就好想喊。

咩叫"藍色窗簾"呀..

藍色窗簾是在對讀者曲解、過度解讀之事進行調侃。來自於課文中一段原文裡講到的「窗簾是藍色的」，而一名國文老師盡其所能地解釋那「藍色窗簾」背後隱藏的含義，硬解釋成「藉由窗簾的顏色，引出作者的被束縛以及憂鬱的傷感」。殊不知作者自己只是純粹表示它就是藍色的窗簾，背後沒有任何隱藏含意。其實就是成語裡的郢書燕說、穿鑿附會 (但說實在我不太愛用成語，詩歌裡放成語很奇怪啊！)，或通俗一些叫過度腦補。

Po 多段幫你推po，支持有質素討論，隔籬樓主引戰

導演自己講套戲係回應緊postmodernism、提埋尼采嘅「上帝己死」：

DK: I think what those filmmakers do, the reason why people have latched onto their work, is because both of them are responses to postmodernism, which, you know, postmodernism is like the opposite of the Sublime. A lot of it's like, let's deconstruct, let's label, pull it apart. Let's remove ourselves from it emotionally and destroy this thing because we want to understand it. But what Satoshi Kon and Charlie Kaufman both do in their different ways is they try to rebuild something sublime out of that mess left over after postmodernism has destroyed the house. These artists are working in an almost meta-modernist space trying to recreate the experience of Romanticism, the hunt for the Sublime through art and meaning in a world that has killed God. I think that's what we're trying to do with this film is to destroy, to just kind of smash through all the cynical, deconstructive thought processes that we've kind of built up around ourselves like a wall shielding ourselves from feeling. But we're shielding ourselves from experiencing art, because we're just trying to pick it apart, understand it, label it before we even have a chance to let it move through you. This movie was very engineered to scramble all those wires, all the intellectual pieces of language you might have to describe a movie are thrown out the window, so early on you have no other choice but to feel and to experience.

https://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2022/04/daniels-interview.html

stone 個到唔係話其實老母 stoned 撚咗咩

優質
推下先

石頭個幕真係哭撚左
佢實係華人家庭倫理個部分都寫得好好，唔只移美第二/三代會覺得related，香港成長嘅呢一代都可能有同感，傳統東亞思想同現代近西方思想之間嘅衝突，三代人互相壓迫

呢套戲吸收咗好多其他戲嘅精髓
花樣年華、2001太空漫遊 etc
Lots of familiar scenes

Everything everywhere all at once
就算資訊爆炸 人生充滿希望定失望都好 都可以活在當下 珍惜眼前人

你覺得唔好睇，絕對係一件幸運嘅事
因為睇得明，又會俾佢感動嘅，唔係一件好事

就好似中文科閱讀理解 問我作者想表達乜根本多L餘 其實係問考評局想表達乜 最L on9嘅卷

我都係咁覺得
前半段都覺得好鳩，只係純搞笑
去到石頭個段就開始頂唔順眼濕濕
睇完樓主嘅分析感受到更加多

作者已死

建議你睇mother
我諗導演應該好多野想表達
但我完全唔明 亦覺得好難睇
應該人生數一數二咁難睇

mother 好明顯眼高手低，我睇完，都唔知係講人生、創作、宗教定導演為有得屌 Jennifer 而拍套九唔搭八嘅片出來

唔覺有幾難明,套戲高明之處就係用好淺白嘅方式交代啲哲學思想
亦都唔係一定要個人悲觀/經歷過慘事先會俾佢感動到

前半部幾好睇 後半悶D

可能係諗多咗，我係由粒石頭開始都有googly eyes嘅時候開始被震撼同喊
虛無主義嘅解釋同樓主講嘅差唔多

但我反而係覺得導演上講出嚟嘅解決方法係荒謬主義，佢就係想我哋用googly eyes去面對呢個世界既荒謬，去正視無意義既荒謬，咁樣先可以令到呢啲毫無意義嘅痛苦消失，既然所有嘢都係咁冇意義時候，點解唔盡可能去令自己好快樂咁樣去生活呢？ 你要令自己真係可以快樂去做自己鐘意既野，就係要面對呢個世界所有嘅荒謬，明白連困難或者挫敗都係一種冇意義同荒謬。呢部分嘅表達就係呢套戲後半嘅精華，導演用緊evelyn嘅角度去同深受覺得人生冇意義而感到虛無既人，或者因為資訊科技膨脹熱覺得情感麻木，進而感到虛無既人， 向佢哋提供一個小小嘅解決方法、安慰。

而另一點我覺得石頭呢一part做得好好嘅就係，當Evelyn 石頭得到googly eyes既時候，令佢唔再就只係深受虛無主義影響，只可以好似一舊石頭咁樣乜都唔做，而佢係正視咗呢個世界嘅無意義，去自由去做佢想做嘅嘢，並無視咗呢個世界/社會加諸畀我地既要求。喺石頭宇宙，石頭係唔應該可以移動，但係Evelyn選擇對抗命運，選擇去擁抱Joy.

而滾落山一段，我覺得亦都係想表達一種陪伴同理解。一個絕望嘅人又何嘗唔係想搵一個可以真正see what i see, feel what i feel 既人呢？當Evelyn 石頭一齊滾落去，代表咗佢已經感受到Joy一直以來既痛苦，並願意同佢一齊面對呢個虛無，陪伴佢面對荒謬。我相信呢一幕會令好多有呢個因揾唔到人生意義而迷失孤獨既人，帶嚟左一點安慰。「 可能你身邊冇人會明白你呢一種孤獨同埋荒謬嘅諗法，但係我明白，We are all useless alone. It is a good thing you are not alone.」我相信呢個可能就係導演或者編劇想同觀眾講嘅野。


唔係乜嘢哲學人，呢個純粹係我睇戲嗰陣嘅諗法


利申 睇嗰陣喊到仆街

有返個清泉post

事前睇trailer 心諗做乜兩舊對話咁搞笑
但順住故事去到石頭宇宙
莫名d感覺就湧晒出黎 真係喊出黎