公立醫院前線醫生：十個政客不會告訴你的謬誤

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你既諗法係有10個海外醫生比佢去私家令佢飽和 令1個公立醫生選擇繼續起公立

我既建議就係10個醫生都入公立做3 5 甚至7年先比佢走 就算呢個方案只吸引到一半醫生 都最少5個 你覺得邊個方案可以幫到舒緩而家公立人手不足?

數字可能係鳩吹 但你要引入多幾倍海外醫生去私家先留到一個公立醫生係必然

demand supply 唔係求其掉去邊度都一定解決到問題既 係咁簡單就唔洗大學開個degree啦

agree but you gotta tell me why it didn't work in this case tho.

第一個回覆有解釋
醫生 或其他專業人士 甚少減價搶客 大多差唔多收費 而以服務質素或本身醫術競爭

私家醫院收費不一定因醫生人工下跌而大減

高質素醫生並非你想引入就引入 要以其他政策吸引佢地嚟

sorry.I don't buy. how do you get your assumptions?

let's say if there are 1 million doctors in hong kong, do you think they can still charge the same price?

供需失衡係人都知 所以除咗減少移民外 增加醫生都需要 呢點冇錯 但香港醫生不患寡而患不均 公營醫療用緊一半醫生人手醫緊9成病人 香港新畢業既醫生幾乎全部都入公營醫療 而唔係全部走晒去私家留返老野起公立
呢個時候唔用政策引導海外醫生去公立 反而降低門檻比海外醫生去私人市場執業 益咗咩人 ? 一樣係你口中唯利是圖既醫畜 不過係轉做海外畢業咁解

逃犯條例的確係幾差既論據 不過佢證明既論點 香港目前政治環境難以只比英聯邦國家免試而唔比大陸醫生 係好實際 但就算做到 我都一樣會叫佢地起公立先做幾年 否則對本港醫療環境冇幫助

你係咪on9
回歸左啦,仲英聯邦

where to get cheap doctors? India? China?

let's say where can you find so many doctors to come to HK except mainland China where doctors are undertrained and have poor salary ?

If you were a competent oversea doctor, you know that HK healthcare market is becoming saturated. To a point that if you still decide to go to HK you have to take a lower salary, would you still go for HK or other places ?
That's why I say you can't 'import' overseas doctor to lower their salary

I don't know. That's not the point tho.

I know it's hard to increase the supply. My point is

三) 捆綁期越短越好？

各位不妨撫心自問， 究竟香港需要多一點公立醫院醫生還是私家醫生。

same shit. more private doc => cheaper private medical price => less people go to public hospital

咁簡單一句 你覺得引入幾多海外醫生去私家醫院先會令佢地減價? 私家醫院有啲醫生就受聘於醫院收月薪 呢啲人工就算減 醫院本身食埋個差價都仲得 有啲係掛牌既 呢啲醫生本身有熟客 醫術好 你引入多啲醫生都唔洗減價

照你既講法養和 法國同樣手術 價錢差咁遠 應該所有人都去晒法國做 養和拍蒼蠅就應該要減價搶返啲客 但點解冇 ?

覺得醫療唔需要高質素既 我冇所謂 你搭火車過羅湖大把更平既選擇 唔需要特登引入海外醫生

其實你口中應該依賴私營市場既小手術 比得起錢既病人都已經去咗睇 你引入海外醫生就算真係比你谷到減價 頂多一兩成 千幾蚊 有幾多人真係因為呢個差價就排公立? 定係本身因為成套手術萬幾蚊比唔起 只係比得起千幾蚊去排公立?

或者我講得唔清楚 我唔係要推翻demand supply 亦唔係話開放醫生去私人市場完全冇用 我只係話對比起引導醫生先起公立醫院做幾年 直接放佢地出私家既效果細好多 當然 長遠要推醫保做真正公私分流 落更多錢增建公立醫院增聘醫生

Though I still think lower the barrier to private market (for commonwealth doctors) makes only limited benefit to HK healthcare system, at least it does no harm. If you so insist, just go and fight for this policy with HK govt. You have my support

Yet please dont forget HK govt is providing healthcare service with a price much less than market price.

Again, I still doubt the efficacy of letting more doctors to go for private market on current medical problem in HK

如果你口中既歧視係考執業試 我諗呢個門檻都太低喇下話 美英歐醫生合格率有5成

咁都得唔關事嘅顰 東施係講香港 獅乜春新加坡
仲有其他好多錯字
上面打咁大篇 總之迴避唔到香港醫生嚴重短缺
醫療霸權
成日話一定要綁人係公立 唔通私營市場多咗醫生
有競爭 價格下降 唔會分流到使用公立醫院使
嘅人咩

有專家話香港醫生濫用抗生素 要醫藥分家
防止亂開藥 收藥廠回佣 你又唔做
好多長期慢性病食藥嘅 藥劑師根本搞得掂

成日話唔起醫院 唔整多啲設備冇用 咁調番轉
唔請多啲醫生咪又係整多啲醫院都冇用

整多啲學位 而家中期俾好嘅大學嚟嘅醫科畢業生翻嚟實習 得唔得啊 最多咪考試囉
尤其係本地人去外國讀

如果係讀好嘅大學 根本唔會差太多分
退一步講 成日講到高分出嚟就係精英 有冇聽過高分低能啊 你估個個公院醫生都想留啊 好多廢到出去做唔到咋戇鳩