Sell Side Analyst 係香港有冇前景?

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2019-04-05 19:56:04


我係準備入行既初哥,想問special situation analyst 係做乜?

Buying distressed debt / restructuring / direct lending / NPLs etc. (For private equity type special sits investment role)
2019-04-05 20:13:28
Sell side bulge bracket 黎講邊幾幾間AM 最好?係咪都係GS/JPM/MS?
2019-04-05 21:14:40



咁大公司人工高啲應該正常既
細buy side firm既市價大約幾多?
2019-04-05 21:33:17


咁大公司人工高啲應該正常既
細buy side firm既市價大約幾多?

應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)
2019-04-05 23:51:39
2019-04-06 03:23:08
I see, 但個啲走出黎開AM個啲其實都係Buy Side啦應該?

Sell side細行係唔係指啲細證券行?

有件事你一定要搞清楚先
even buyside 其實都只係一個fund raising race
所以你老細係一個sell side 出身既一d 都唔奇
你個strategy 其實只係一個product 去做marketing

I see 咁我明
我見好多證券行請research analyst, 好似咩華泰 中信 國泰君安依啲 全部都過千億市值 依啲入到既話應該都唔算細行?

果堆當然唔算細
但個問題係佢地都係從堆外資ib 挖堆中高層
Not a good choice to start your career
真係學好手勢既建議外資大行/daiwa
2019-04-06 14:48:12
AUM 係1B USD 左右......公司wise 就10-20人, 但自己team 的人得4-5人
好少咋.....
2019-04-06 14:48:41
為何你覺得buy-side 都半夕陽呢?
finance 已經算係比其他sector 相對好D 啦掛.......

shrink 得好快啦
都係果句, 冇錢點炒
如果你做buyside 既可以問下你老細點解唔raise 多d 錢

Strategy capacity

好勁, 只係舊年輸錢.......
2019-04-06 14:59:04
有件事你一定要搞清楚先
even buyside 其實都只係一個fund raising race
所以你老細係一個sell side 出身既一d 都唔奇
你個strategy 其實只係一個product 去做marketing

I see 咁我明
我見好多證券行請research analyst, 好似咩華泰 中信 國泰君安依啲 全部都過千億市值 依啲入到既話應該都唔算細行?

果堆當然唔算細
但個問題係佢地都係從堆外資ib 挖堆中高層
Not a good choice to start your career
真係學好手勢既建議外資大行/daiwa

Why specifies daiwa
2019-04-06 14:59:54

咁大公司人工高啲應該正常既
細buy side firm既市價大約幾多?

應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

咁鬼高人工?咁小弟真係超級under-paid :(
無計, 成績差.......入左行之後唯有靠轉工吧!
2019-04-06 15:00:51
I see 咁我明
我見好多證券行請research analyst, 好似咩華泰 中信 國泰君安依啲 全部都過千億市值 依啲入到既話應該都唔算細行?

果堆當然唔算細
但個問題係佢地都係從堆外資ib 挖堆中高層
Not a good choice to start your career
真係學好手勢既建議外資大行/daiwa

Why specifies daiwa

Daiwa 有無buy-side arm ?
2019-04-06 15:04:32

咁大公司人工高啲應該正常既
細buy side firm既市價大約幾多?

應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........
2019-04-06 15:12:15
同埋呢個時勢呢
做research 唔好做equity
fixed income 先係真真正正學到點樣做fundamental analysis

而家d equity report 其實好撚on9
even gs 比我果堆equity research 我都係唔睇
equity involves 太多 sentimental factor 所以其實好難用fundamental 來做prop trade, 你長long 又食撚住個position limit 又係曬鳩氣
再加上ra 呢行本身已經大陸人當道
你第時equity research 咁 competitive 又冇connection 你點跳走

你fixed income research 都叫大機會少少轉去pe/ credit fund 玩
equity 果面真係太多人爭啦

哈哈巴打你講野甘似我同事既LOL

完全認同equity involves 太多 sentimental factor 所以其實好難用fundamental 來做prop trade。亦都係點解我覺得唔想再係呢行曬時間,做既野無9意義,炒黎炒去,只係一大班人9UP黎9UP去。stock uptick 時就話Long term margin expansion,向下炒時就話short term margin miss.....diu...甘trade long term 定short term都係一時時....勁on9

無可否認equity research 巳經比太多大6人,BIG4大6人想跳入行,塞到爆晒,身為香港人,你一係迎合佢地,一係離地去外資regional APAC coverage...

同埋另一個事實係,當你start with細行,唔洗痴心妄想跳到入大行。
細行既定義係,宜家好多ex sell side traders/analysts OR big house PMs跳出黎,搵到條大老闆水喉,出黎自己開返檔AM,佢地一定比最UN既PAY你,因為係自己生意。

路過
sentimental factor同fund flow先係equity精粹所在 由analyst轉便am
2019-04-06 15:14:29
同埋呢個時勢呢
做research 唔好做equity
fixed income 先係真真正正學到點樣做fundamental analysis

而家d equity report 其實好撚on9
even gs 比我果堆equity research 我都係唔睇
equity involves 太多 sentimental factor 所以其實好難用fundamental 來做prop trade, 你長long 又食撚住個position limit 又係曬鳩氣
再加上ra 呢行本身已經大陸人當道
你第時equity research 咁 competitive 又冇connection 你點跳走

你fixed income research 都叫大機會少少轉去pe/ credit fund 玩
equity 果面真係太多人爭啦

哈哈巴打你講野甘似我同事既LOL

完全認同equity involves 太多 sentimental factor 所以其實好難用fundamental 來做prop trade。亦都係點解我覺得唔想再係呢行曬時間,做既野無9意義,炒黎炒去,只係一大班人9UP黎9UP去。stock uptick 時就話Long term margin expansion,向下炒時就話short term margin miss.....diu...甘trade long term 定short term都係一時時....勁on9

無可否認equity research 巳經比太多大6人,BIG4大6人想跳入行,塞到爆晒,身為香港人,你一係迎合佢地,一係離地去外資regional APAC coverage...

同埋另一個事實係,當你start with細行,唔洗痴心妄想跳到入大行。
細行既定義係,宜家好多ex sell side traders/analysts OR big house PMs跳出黎,搵到條大老闆水喉,出黎自己開返檔AM,佢地一定比最UN既PAY你,因為係自己生意。

路過
sentimental factor同fund flow先係equity精粹所在 由analyst轉便am

由analyst轉am就唔止要識FA
analyst可以話個market under/overvalued/overreacted 但am兩個字 一係橫一係直 無得咁講
2019-04-06 15:24:02
同埋呢個時勢呢
做research 唔好做equity
fixed income 先係真真正正學到點樣做fundamental analysis

而家d equity report 其實好撚on9
even gs 比我果堆equity research 我都係唔睇
equity involves 太多 sentimental factor 所以其實好難用fundamental 來做prop trade, 你長long 又食撚住個position limit 又係曬鳩氣
再加上ra 呢行本身已經大陸人當道
你第時equity research 咁 competitive 又冇connection 你點跳走

你fixed income research 都叫大機會少少轉去pe/ credit fund 玩
equity 果面真係太多人爭啦

哈哈巴打你講野甘似我同事既LOL

完全認同equity involves 太多 sentimental factor 所以其實好難用fundamental 來做prop trade。亦都係點解我覺得唔想再係呢行曬時間,做既野無9意義,炒黎炒去,只係一大班人9UP黎9UP去。stock uptick 時就話Long term margin expansion,向下炒時就話short term margin miss.....diu...甘trade long term 定short term都係一時時....勁on9

無可否認equity research 巳經比太多大6人,BIG4大6人想跳入行,塞到爆晒,身為香港人,你一係迎合佢地,一係離地去外資regional APAC coverage...

同埋另一個事實係,當你start with細行,唔洗痴心妄想跳到入大行。
細行既定義係,宜家好多ex sell side traders/analysts OR big house PMs跳出黎,搵到條大老闆水喉,出黎自己開返檔AM,佢地一定比最UN既PAY你,因為係自己生意。

路過
sentimental factor同fund flow先係equity精粹所在 由analyst轉便am

Exactly
2019-04-06 15:44:06
咁大公司人工高啲應該正常既
細buy side firm既市價大約幾多?

應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)
2019-04-06 15:47:03
應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

buyside有普通AM(equity / fixed income), pe, hedge fund etc. 每行個pay可能有d差距
2019-04-06 16:28:45
應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

grad trainee is around that price in my firm...compared to i bank it is lower but hours is much better tho

btw...grad trainee data is relatively transparent, quite easy to find out from those sites in the UK...and for grad limited country difference
2019-04-06 21:59:11
邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

grad trainee is around that price in my firm...compared to i bank it is lower but hours is much better tho

btw...grad trainee data is relatively transparent, quite easy to find out from those sites in the UK...and for grad limited country difference

之前我做左兩年野再轉field in一間sell side firm既junior ficc analyst post, 佢開得24k base比我

不過我唔清楚bonus會有幾多 但佢唔係ibank 只係一間外資證券行 所以我估應該都唔會多
2019-04-06 22:04:00
應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

buyside同sellside如果都係大行 唔講workload齋講人工 我估應該都差唔多(average黎講)?

如果細行既話我諗應該buy side entry wage會比sell side高啲

同埋我覺得只要係non-bank sell side firm都可以稱為細行 除左個別幾間大型中資卷商之外
2019-04-06 22:28:24
邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

buyside同sellside如果都係大行 唔講workload齋講人工 我估應該都差唔多(average黎講)?

如果細行既話我諗應該buy side entry wage會比sell side高啲

同埋我覺得只要係non-bank sell side firm都可以稱為細行 除左個別幾間大型中資卷商之外

如果係entry level, sell side大行計埋bonus一定多過buyside (sell side fg 1st year都講緊HKD 1m per annum)

但到senior level就難講,尤其做pe/hedge fund可以係天文數字

我公司Asia head total comp大概係HKD$30m -40m per annum(我公司係listed,所以睇到)
2019-04-06 23:07:12
investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

buyside同sellside如果都係大行 唔講workload齋講人工 我估應該都差唔多(average黎講)?

如果細行既話我諗應該buy side entry wage會比sell side高啲

同埋我覺得只要係non-bank sell side firm都可以稱為細行 除左個別幾間大型中資卷商之外

如果係entry level, sell side大行計埋bonus一定多過buyside (sell side fg 1st year都講緊HKD 1m per annum)

但到senior level就難講,尤其做pe/hedge fund可以係天文數字

我公司Asia head total comp大概係HKD$30m -40m per annum(我公司係listed,所以睇到)

yes, 我諗junior level黎講冇人出手比ibank高掛
2019-04-06 23:32:04
2019-04-07 01:17:47
應該2xk尾到3xk頭,junior position(聽headhunt講)
fyi, 我依家個間都叫大外資buyside,fg 0經驗入嘅話第一年年薪500k(including bonus)

邊間headhunt 講到咁高人工, 有D headhunt 同我講, 話Buy-side 有D junior 位唔過20K 都有唔少.........

investment role? (buyside做investment低過20k真係有d低)
我以前收headhunt call做family office junior investment role都有~30k(就算細 local buyside好多見過都有25k-30k左右, not including bonus)
以我經驗同聽d朋友講

我個間外資buyside fg 500k,外資同行都話係significantly underpaid(講緊做investment,唔係其他role)

小弟請返黎果陣其實唔係做純investment role, 而家做的野係傾向於投後管理....... 每日有D routine fund operations 的野要做, 例如update 個portfolio, monitor trade position, verify P&L positions, 又有少少 fund admin 的野要跟 (MF/real estate Fund都有D)。但長遠老細想我做多D strategy research, 最好可以俾到一D 投資recommendation 俾佢/其他fund manager.

請返黎果陣公司的定位當係middle office officer.......亦因為咁, 可能人工先至比較UN.......不過小弟而家跟緊個老細同埋另一個fund manager好好人, 好識野, 應該可以學到唔少野。 同埋可以幫我考RO 牌上名.....咁你地又點睇?

呢度有無ex-sell-side analyst 入左一D 細行做RO 架?
2019-04-07 01:22:47

trader同analyst唔同?

btw 見到有啲post話trader重要過analyst, 因為佢有能力一個人靠操作幫成間公司賺錢,而analyst就淨係洗錢冇能力賺錢

但另一方面有人又話analyst重要過trader, 因為trader只係落盤, 但真正落decision既PM都算係analyst

邊個先真?
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