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大撚灑 2020-12-18 21:23:25
即刻拘捕相關人士叛國罪
Tony.Montana. 2020-12-18 21:26:28
社運工程師 2020-12-18 21:27:17
GA 州長一係收咗錢(有消息) ,一係受威脅(準女婿死咗)
唔明其他一眾共和黨州官議員點解咁弱?

定係開吓聽證會已經係能力上限?雖然立法(共和黨) 俾行政(民主黨) 撚係好正常。
感官真奇妙 2020-12-18 22:03:22
社運工程師 2020-12-18 22:54:05
民主黨都有好人,呢個真
我睇完 6 Jan 流程,覺得呢個甚至係主戰場
原文,electoral count act
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf
如果要成功反水,侵方應該大力煲民主黨嘅輿情。無錯係嚮人地主場R 民意。

呢樣已經係最保守嘅路徑。
如果以其他奇招出手,例如以叛國罪困幾十個議員一日;取消某登參選資格,反而更加難以想象。

1月6日無論點都會嚟,睇吓上便份pdf schedule 可以估到兩黨會點過招

有需要另開post 組織一吓
社運工程師 2020-12-18 23:26:47
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/3/15#
Electoral count act 最初原文,要睇睇呢個
一生平安 2020-12-18 23:28:45
Tui
社運工程師 2020-12-18 23:43:59
3 U.S. Code § 15 - Counting electoral votes in Congress
U.S. Code

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses.

呢度開始講有爭議嘅情況﹕
Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified.
社運工程師 2020-12-18 23:47:01
If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.
社運工程師 2020-12-18 23:59:34
民主黨都有好人,呢個真
我睇完 6 Jan 流程,覺得呢個甚至係主戰場
原文,electoral count act
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL32717.pdf
如果要成功反水,侵方應該大力煲民主黨嘅輿情。無錯係嚮人地主場R 民意。

隨帶一提,呢個係某智庫對該法例嘅分析文。由左媒華盛頓郵報所引述。有多寫咗啲相關應用案例。
我無精力分辨實質內容上二者有乜唔同,睇法律原文算。
社運工程師 2020-12-19 00:14:05
背景,唱票逐州進行,共50 州,一州完再一州。
有爭議可以嚮唱該州時提出。

共和只嚮7 州另提名單,故此可知,決定只嚮7 州提異議。
GA WI AZ MI PA NV NM

否則,其餘53 州即使提出異議,也只有在參院眾院各自同意異議才可撤回。這不可能。

評,有小道消息認為侵有410 票,如是,共和應在14 Dec 於更多州出招。另可解釋為,他州加州等州舉證更加困難,此7 州較明確。故此只挑戰7 州。
請你吻屎 2020-12-19 00:19:36
社運工程師 2020-12-19 00:40:55
副總統彭斯,將以參議院議長角色主持會議。
彭斯係乖乖模範生,保守派。
兵有奇正。彭斯唔似用奇招嘅人。
如果唱票時議長故意唱共和黨票,唔唱民主黨票會點?就算眾院投出反對,只要參院唔反對,咁啲票就係共和黨。
如果唱票時議長故意唱哂共和黨民主黨兩條票會點?一係同時計,一係同時唔計,兩者都係共和黨贏。呢句係取巧嘅,因為條例有特別注明如果「分別」有兩張名單要點做。其中有不利共和黨嘅州長偏向條款。而且一州少咗選舉人票數,某州又double 咗人數,係唔合理嘅。

相反,侵侵係共和黨入便最自由,最左嘅人。彈性較大。

上便話唔合理,但香港人好熟悉大有無賴玩法,通過咗先,你咪司法覆核咯。唔制咪大家hold 住,更易變成權變選舉 (有利共和). 只要乖乖彭斯有賤格大口狗咁厚臉皮,共和黨6 Jan 係好大贏面。幾難想象。
菠蘿包88 2020-12-19 00:42:09
Dani_Ceballos 2020-12-19 00:49:14
屌 搵咩721 831 真相呀咪話冇死到人囉
黃膠喺度輸打贏要
社運工程師 2020-12-19 00:50:32
正兵係參院投票裁決異議時,共和方佔大數。
眾院投票裁決異議時,共和方亦佔大數。

據聞30% 民主黨人相信大選有舞弊。但要議員押上政治生涯投favor 共和,係需要3歲到80 歲都確信同明白同知道嘅舞弊證據。

呢步正棋亦都係愛侵力引頸以待嘅DNI 報告,dominion server 等證據。
悲觀嚟講,hunter 啲料已經夠呢兩樣勁,但都贏唔過偏頗左媒同滅聲社媒。
所以愛侵力如我已經期望唔止情報,仲要有行動。軍管,Gitmo 等等。
社運工程師 2020-12-19 00:59:07
左媒最睇重嘅重點嚮度,
But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted.
如兩條名單,參眾兩院取向各異,會由州長決定。共和於7 州只佔 2 席,AZ & GA, 而GA Kemp 腦後有反骨。
CristianoRonaldo 2020-12-19 01:12:49
係比人洗落底 睇倒既人都少
知足恆樂 2020-12-19 01:23:49
push
社運工程師 2020-12-19 01:38:14
奇招可以有大把嘅,例如拉布。
When the two Houses separate to decide upon an objection that may have been made to the counting of any electoral vote or votes from any State, or other question arising in the matter, each Senator and Representative may speak to such objection or question five minutes, and not more than once; but after such debate shall have lasted two hours it shall be the duty of the presiding officer of each House to put the main question without further debate.

每個異議可以講2粒鐘。每人發言限5 分鐘。
咁一個州係咪可以有好多好多個異議呢?我都想知。
州由a 至z 順住落,頭幾個就係爭議州 3rd AZ 喇。
節奏由議長操作。

題外話係,彭斯預定6 Jan 當日出國一星期。
佢係咪預果日好快搞掂?冇人知
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