!!![Urgent/SOS]!!! To all Foreigners keep an eye on HK！！！
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Hasn't even made the Google newsfeed yet. Keeping an eye on it yes, but you're running faster than the news, let alone politicians. We can witness, but what we witness is up to the people in HK.
The police have new tactics. They are no longer clearing but attempting to capture and arrest. They must feel that there are only a small (thus arrest-able) number of front-line protesters. Are they right? What are you going to do about it?
It seems to me that the police made a significant tactical error. They did not disrupt communication first. They did not disrupt LIHKJ. It's up to you, here and now, to formulate a plan and implement it BEFORE this ends up being a news story about how the police won (for a change). What are you going to do?
Do you have the numbers to surround the police that are surrounding the protesters? Are you going to siege the police stations? Are you going to burn the police support vehicles behind the police lines? Are you going to have 10,000 people demanding to be arrested by the police, swamping them? What are the news stories going to be about tomorrow? A police victory or yet another humiliating defeat?
The protesters inside the university are doing their part, holding out until YOU do something. Having me call a politician on a Sunday isn't going to make any difference on what happens. Sorry. I can only witness. Honestly, I'd rather witness another protest victory.
The police have new tactics. They are no longer clearing but attempting to capture and arrest. They must feel that there are only a small (thus arrest-able) number of front-line protesters. Are they right? What are you going to do about it?
It seems to me that the police made a significant tactical error. They did not disrupt communication first. They did not disrupt LIHKJ. It's up to you, here and now, to formulate a plan and implement it BEFORE this ends up being a news story about how the police won (for a change). What are you going to do?
Do you have the numbers to surround the police that are surrounding the protesters? Are you going to siege the police stations? Are you going to burn the police support vehicles behind the police lines? Are you going to have 10,000 people demanding to be arrested by the police, swamping them? What are the news stories going to be about tomorrow? A police victory or yet another humiliating defeat?
The protesters inside the university are doing their part, holding out until YOU do something. Having me call a politician on a Sunday isn't going to make any difference on what happens. Sorry. I can only witness. Honestly, I'd rather witness another protest victory.
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Just skimmed through your recent post, I know you're a genuine Canadian. Thank you for your attention.
Yes, the Police attempted to arrest or even kill us now, the Government possibly allowed them to use lethal weapons more frequently without standard restrictions. Tbh, there is always unequal between the force using from both sides, even the protesters using petrol bomb to fight back. The Police do have professional equipment, but we do not. Also, HK has been a "peaceful and stable" city for decades. Most ppl do not prepare for a war both mentally and physically. This is always a big concern and the reason why many of us are suffering from severe injuries, but PoPo is not.
Making sure our bros safe would be our priority so we would try anything that could achieve this. This is what we are discussing and attempting to do right now. It is hard to say what would we eventually do. You can keep focusing on the news in HK. In your opinion, would the above actions violate the moral high-ground that we keep protesting since June? What will foreigners think of?
This is what we saying in Chinese "兄弟爬山,各自努力", which means we work in various ways that we can do the best to achieve the same goal. In your post, you said we are creative and inspire Catalonia/ Chile to copy. We may not all are at the front-line, but we can do many things beyond on the streets. No one knows what ways are successful, only if we try before making any conclusion. Therefore, we do need your help, to request your Council/ Parliament/ Congress members or those authorities to speak out against the CCP and HK government on suppressing HKers. This may help the current situation, even just a little bit of help that we'll be appreciated. I wish your desire would eventually come true
Yes, the Police attempted to arrest or even kill us now, the Government possibly allowed them to use lethal weapons more frequently without standard restrictions. Tbh, there is always unequal between the force using from both sides, even the protesters using petrol bomb to fight back. The Police do have professional equipment, but we do not. Also, HK has been a "peaceful and stable" city for decades. Most ppl do not prepare for a war both mentally and physically. This is always a big concern and the reason why many of us are suffering from severe injuries, but PoPo is not.
Do you have the numbers to surround the police that are surrounding the protesters? Are you going to siege the police stations? Are you going to burn the police support vehicles behind the police lines? Are you going to have 10,000 people demanding to be arrested by the police, swamping them? What are the news stories going to be about tomorrow? A police victory or yet another humiliating defeat?
Making sure our bros safe would be our priority so we would try anything that could achieve this. This is what we are discussing and attempting to do right now. It is hard to say what would we eventually do. You can keep focusing on the news in HK. In your opinion, would the above actions violate the moral high-ground that we keep protesting since June? What will foreigners think of?
The protesters inside the university are doing their part, holding out until YOU do something. Having me call a politician on a Sunday isn't going to make any difference on what happens. Sorry. I can only witness. Honestly, I'd rather witness another protest victory.
This is what we saying in Chinese "兄弟爬山,各自努力", which means we work in various ways that we can do the best to achieve the same goal. In your post, you said we are creative and inspire Catalonia/ Chile to copy. We may not all are at the front-line, but we can do many things beyond on the streets. No one knows what ways are successful, only if we try before making any conclusion. Therefore, we do need your help, to request your Council/ Parliament/ Congress members or those authorities to speak out against the CCP and HK government on suppressing HKers. This may help the current situation, even just a little bit of help that we'll be appreciated. I wish your desire would eventually come true
Siege of Leningrad in Hong Kong Polytechnic University
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All of us would not want to see the 1989 Tiananmen Massacre repeated in Hong Kong. We must prevent this man-made catastrophe from happening again!!!
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Some seem to advocate street battles against the PLA. I think that would be pointless. You do not need to die. There is no purpose in another Tienanmen. Don't do it. And, realise that it is the protester's choice if this happens. Mass surrender would be far better for everyone, and will help win the war. Getting massacred will not.
...Tbh, there is always unequal between the force using from both sides,
...In your opinion, would the above actions violate the moral high-ground that we keep protesting since June? What will foreigners think of?
I'm not qualified to speak for the entire Western world and I'll admit to being pretty weird by Western standards anyway. I'll add that I'm in awe of how far the HK protesters have gotten. So, I'm not exactly comfortable giving advice. I actually came here to get it.
That said, and this is just my personal opinion:
The police must always appear to be stronger, better equipped, and better trained than the protesters. What you have is numbers, and those numbers must show restraint. I understand the desire to get even, to beat the crap out of them, but don't. No arrows, no bombs, none of that. Traditional weapons... bricks and molotovs are "protester weapons". A victory video is one where the sheer number of protesters force the police into retreat. That is power. A video of some fool with a bow and arrow is failure. In Western terms, it's called "asking for it." 'It' being shot, without sympathy. Directed property damage is victory. Cleaning up after a protest is even better. Random destruction is not.
Thus, I see those water cannon trucks as legitimate targets and wonder why you don't take them out. I see videos of them sitting back between runs. I'd set up dedicated hit teams that go after those trucks anywhere, anytime. I'd also go after police cars and vans that are parked around protests. Taking out a police vehicle raises the cost of what they're doing. In short, police vehicles are legitimate targets for destruction, the more the better. 12 people can roll a police car over by hand... and would make for a good video
As I write this, google news has finally caught up and is reporting the siege. If you have the numbers, you need to break this siege, to let at least some people escape. That is how you win this particular battle.
You have to prove you have the numbers. The best way is to lay siege to the police, to surround them. Just, block every access in or out with non-violent people.
If you can't get that many people on the street, then the next best option would be to raise the cost of the siege by targeting police vehicles. Burn them. flip them, smash them as they drive by, paint them. Beating a cop... ehhh (asking for it) ... but trashing his car is good. Very good.
Oh, and one last thing... unrelated but important. Trashing a "sympathiser" shop is one thing. Burning it is stupid. If one of those fires gets out of hand and hurts people, it's going to cost you a lot of support. A fire in one part of a larger building is a really, really bad idea. Even the smoke from a fire causes a lot of damage. Way too dangerous, in too many ways, to be worth the risk.
No one wants to die. The initiative of another massacre is on CCP’s hand. We do not have a choice of being massacred or not, only if they want to massacre us. We admitted that we made a fatal mistake this time to stay in the Polytechnic University, but you have to know that there were many of us suffering from inhuman treatments or even being disappeared after getting arrested. This is a massacre either quietly or publicly.
When they actually deploy the PLA, we’ll just go back home. This is what we’re acting as “Be Water” and they’ll completely damage HK’s economy by their own hands.
Thanks for your advice. Let me put them in short. Tbh, we are just like a beginner in protests comparing with other countries, but we are facing the CCP. There are many rooms for improvement and we have much to learn.
Targets and what kind of forces are what we are discussing almost on everyday.
For the water cannon car, as a reminder, it can deploy in all directions of 360 degrees. Yup, this would be a good idea that we should do something when the car is not in operation. This tactic should be applied on all police cars and cops. Thank you.
Lastly, the Police do not treat citizens as non-violent people anymore. Even you are pedestrians without any weapons or gears, they would still deploy PRC made tear gas (live bullets are probable and they did this before) to all of us.
What we have are only courage, you can keep focusing on our news in the following hours that we will gather and siege again. It is hard to say whether they can escape or not, but we would not let them die in this way
When they actually deploy the PLA, we’ll just go back home. This is what we’re acting as “Be Water” and they’ll completely damage HK’s economy by their own hands.
Thanks for your advice. Let me put them in short. Tbh, we are just like a beginner in protests comparing with other countries, but we are facing the CCP. There are many rooms for improvement and we have much to learn.
Targets and what kind of forces are what we are discussing almost on everyday.
For the water cannon car, as a reminder, it can deploy in all directions of 360 degrees. Yup, this would be a good idea that we should do something when the car is not in operation. This tactic should be applied on all police cars and cops. Thank you.
Lastly, the Police do not treat citizens as non-violent people anymore. Even you are pedestrians without any weapons or gears, they would still deploy PRC made tear gas (live bullets are probable and they did this before) to all of us.
What we have are only courage, you can keep focusing on our news in the following hours that we will gather and siege again. It is hard to say whether they can escape or not, but we would not let them die in this way
[Quote]...This is a massacre either quietly or publicly.
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Tbh, we are just like a beginner in protests comparing with other countries, but we are facing the CCP.{/Quote]
No, it is not a quiet massacre. Yes, there are abuses. Yes, there may even be a few disappeared, some questionable deaths. But, it's not mass murder, it's not mass torture, it's not deportation to China for organ harvesting. It's just not.
Do you believe the propaganda being spread by the CCP about the protesters? Obviously not... it's stupid. Well, it works both ways.
Propaganda is part of war. Information is a weapon and the protesters are masters at it. Far better than the ham-fisted CCP is or ever will be. Use it to your advantage, win with it, but don't believe it so much that it messes up your decisions. Do not be a victim of your own propaganda.
Every time you hear something about the enemy, always ask what that enemy is saying about you. Is what they say true? Is what you say? Really? Always take the time for that reality check. Always. THEN, make that important decision.
The truth is that "the popo" are not murderers. Some way well be. Others may well be covering that up. But, it's impossible for all of them to be complicit. There aren't that many dead people. There aren't that many victims. That there are any is horrible, yes. But, compared to certain death or deprivation, rationally playing the odds is the most sensible choice. Surrender when necessary. Do not die because you are afraid of the monster... not when that monster is a creation of your own propaganda.
You're actually in a pretty good position. The HK courts seem to at least be fair which realistically puts them on your side. The government is certainly not fair. Orderly surrender in a situation that becomes hopeless is an entirely reasonable choice.
Fighting to the death is not a reasonable choice and, quite frankly, I highly doubt you'll ever get to where it is. 2048, yeah... but not right now. Not yet. The most agonising choice you should have to make is "do I get on that plane or not?"
Oh, and don't play that "just beginners" line. The protesters in HK are literally writing the textbook on protesting. You guys rock! People and police forces all over the world are going to be studying what happened in HK for years to come. University departments will probably have entire courses devoted to what happened in HK in 2019. You're making history.
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Tbh, we are just like a beginner in protests comparing with other countries, but we are facing the CCP.{/Quote]
No, it is not a quiet massacre. Yes, there are abuses. Yes, there may even be a few disappeared, some questionable deaths. But, it's not mass murder, it's not mass torture, it's not deportation to China for organ harvesting. It's just not.
Do you believe the propaganda being spread by the CCP about the protesters? Obviously not... it's stupid. Well, it works both ways.
Propaganda is part of war. Information is a weapon and the protesters are masters at it. Far better than the ham-fisted CCP is or ever will be. Use it to your advantage, win with it, but don't believe it so much that it messes up your decisions. Do not be a victim of your own propaganda.
Every time you hear something about the enemy, always ask what that enemy is saying about you. Is what they say true? Is what you say? Really? Always take the time for that reality check. Always. THEN, make that important decision.
The truth is that "the popo" are not murderers. Some way well be. Others may well be covering that up. But, it's impossible for all of them to be complicit. There aren't that many dead people. There aren't that many victims. That there are any is horrible, yes. But, compared to certain death or deprivation, rationally playing the odds is the most sensible choice. Surrender when necessary. Do not die because you are afraid of the monster... not when that monster is a creation of your own propaganda.
You're actually in a pretty good position. The HK courts seem to at least be fair which realistically puts them on your side. The government is certainly not fair. Orderly surrender in a situation that becomes hopeless is an entirely reasonable choice.
Fighting to the death is not a reasonable choice and, quite frankly, I highly doubt you'll ever get to where it is. 2048, yeah... but not right now. Not yet. The most agonising choice you should have to make is "do I get on that plane or not?"
Oh, and don't play that "just beginners" line. The protesters in HK are literally writing the textbook on protesting. You guys rock! People and police forces all over the world are going to be studying what happened in HK for years to come. University departments will probably have entire courses devoted to what happened in HK in 2019. You're making history.